What do you Believe

andi said:
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I believe all religions worship the same thing. There is no right or wrong religions, we just interpret them in a different way.
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I really struggle with that point of view, it just doesn't add up to me.

Christians believe that faith in the sacrifice of Jesus is the only way to the God and heaven, Muslims believe in good works, that you earn your way to heaven.
Both cannot be right, for if the Muslim way is correct then I have no need for faith in Christ, because he wouldn't be the only way, and thus God would be a liar.

Perplexed said:
Don't let your head explode with this, but if more Christians were like you, I think I would have more time for it. I admire you for your own faith and for your understanding of other peoples.
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Thank you for saying that, it mean a lot to me.
 
Squark said:
I really struggle with that point of view, it just doesn't add up to me.

Christians believe that faith in the sacrifice of Jesus is the only way to the God and heaven, Muslims believe in good works, that you earn your way to heaven.
Both cannot be right, for if the Muslim way is correct then I have no need for faith in Christ, because he wouldn't be the only way, and thus God would be a liar.
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Only if there is one homologous Heaven. If there are heavens then everybody wins they just get different decor and neighbors depending on which Heaven they qualify to end up in. Which makes sense really as you wouldn't want to mix with people who didn't share your faith, in the afterlife, look at the trouble it's caused down here. After all if God truly is a loving God then he would cater for all his followers even if they don't all agree on the details.
 
Squark said:
I really struggle with that point of view, it just doesn't add up to me.


Both cannot be right, for if the Muslim way is correct then I have no need for faith in Christ, because he wouldn't be the only way, and thus God would be a liar.

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Both can be wrong though.
 
A few further thoughts from me, then I'll shut up...

What did God do during that eternity before he created everything? If God was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? Was he bored? Was he lonely? God is supposed to be perfect. If something is perfect, it is complete--it needs nothing else. We humans engage in activities because we are pursuing that elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be. If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.

One need look to no source other than the Bible to discover its imperfections, for it contradicts itself and thus exposes its own imperfection. It contradicts itself on matters of justice, for the same just God who assures his people that sons shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers turns around and destroys an entire household for the sin of one man (he had stolen some of Yahweh's war loot). It was this same Yahweh who afflicted thousands of his innocent people with plague and death to punish their evil king David for taking a census (?!). It was this same Yahweh who allowed the humans to slaughter his son because the perfect Yahweh had botched his own creation. Consider how many have been stoned, burned, slaughtered, raped, and enslaved because of Yahweh's skewed sense of justice. The blood of innocent babies is on the perfect, just, compassionate hands of Yahweh.

And a few biblical contradictions just to finish off....

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
 
scorza said:
I find it amusing that your attack on Christianity (which no doubt you just copied and pasted unquestioningly from some website) is based almost entirely on the Old Testament.
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Does it really matter? Both the Old and New Testament are more than relevant in this topic.
 
I'm an atheist (but probably agnostic if I had to stake my life on it) and furthermore, even if God revealed himself I still wouldn't believe in him. I'd rather go to hell.
 
Jet said:
I'm an atheist (but probably agnostic if I had to stake my life on it) and furthermore, even if God revealed himself I still wouldn't believe in him. I'd rather go to hell.
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If god revealed himself to me, I'd call the police:p
 
neoduder said:
And a few biblical contradictions just to finish off....*snip*
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Did you bother to read any of them in a bible and in context?

I bet you could probably quote random lines here and there in Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" which would make it sound like he is actually a devout supporter of religion. It would certainly suit the agenda of people acting to undermine him but it wouldn't be a very truthful representation would it?
 
Reeve said:
You haven't played ffx have you? :D
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Nope.

If you think about it, its possible where just someones dream. Personally I believe where all Alien to this planet. The first DNA was brought to this planet by a comet.

There' more evidence of Alien existence than there is of God, yet billions choose believe the scribblings of madmen thousands of years old:confused: who's the nutter?

Poor imagination makes ppl believe in Gods tbh :D
 
Nullvoid said:
Did you bother to read any of them in a bible and in context?

I bet you could probably quote random lines here and there in Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" which would make it sound like he is actually a devout supporter of religion. It would certainly suit the agenda of people acting to undermine him but it wouldn't be a very truthful representation would it?
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I have read the bible from cover to cover. Back when I was 14 right enough, but I have read it.
 
JodieG said:
Hope that there's something more than this and something to explain all the and things in life might be why.
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They would get better answers from a good science book than fairy tales.

I like to imagine and dream about such things but I don't write them down and make them fact.

God never made us, the stars did, where made out of atoms formed 15 billion years ago.
 
neoduder said:
I have read the bible from cover to cover. Back when I was 14 right enough, but I have read it.
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Not being pithy but I believe you would be incapable of drawing any genuine insight or arriving at a meaningful conclusion when reading it as a child (just look at the disputes in interpretation you get between those who are meant to be esteemed scholars).

I actually don't think any religious texts or teaching should be forced upon our children. Perhaps they could be introduced to some of the guiding principles but otherwise leave them until adulthood when they can form their own opinion on the matter.
 
Mik3 said:
They would get better answers from a good science book than fairy tales.

I like to imagine and dream about such things but I don't write them down and make them fact.

God never made us, the stars did, where made out of atoms formed 15 billion years ago.
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I've read lots of science and physics, I'm not sure where I stand though as I said before. I would love there to be an afterlife, part of me thinks there is but some of me doesn't, it's difficult.

For all you know God made the stars and atoms, no one knows whether God did or not and I doubt we will until we die.
 
Nullvoid said:
I actually don't think any religious texts or teaching should be forced upon our children. Perhaps they could be introduced to some of the guiding principles but otherwise leave them until adulthood when they can form their own opinion on the matter.
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I don't think any of the major religions would agree with that suggestion. All it would do would be to bolster the number of agnostics in the world.
 
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