US shoppers killed in gun rampage

That's why even trained professionals have to shoot someone 3 times if they're going for a kill,

Thats just because the first bullet sometimes wont kill instantly, and its to make sure. Also at these shootings the person is often unskilled, and kills themselves fairly quickly allowing medics in, to help the wounded before the bleed to death., in a society where shootings are fairly common the doctors get good at treating them.
 
Shocking, the killer was only 19 what a screwed up life he must have lived to be able to go and sluaghter 8 people shopping for Christmas presents.

Having access to guns gives people the easy opportunity to use them freely and having such a weapon in your home does not give them the same "lethal weapon" we have, I have never seen a gun or used one but a 19 year old American has one, can easily use it and no worries about using it.
 
If guns were banned and this guy still wanted to be famous he would've got a gun anyway, used a sword, a bomb, a knife.. etc.....
 

Not really.

Bombs are banned and cannot be purchased from the high street.

How far do you think a man would get with trying to stab peole with a knife or a gun - in fact how many do you think he will be able to kill? He will need to over power them and then plunge the knife in deep.

With a gun you point, pull the trigger and the rest is down to science.
 
The incident is the latest in a series of mass shootings in the US, which have reignited the debate in the US about gun ownership.
Everytime this tragedy happens, this diatribe is trotted out.

The American nation needs to take a long hard look at its culture and mentality rather then worry about gun ownership.
 
Why on earth are Americans so opposed to changing their constitution though? If the damn thing said "all men must father at least 50 children in order to grow the population of our new nation" would they do it?
 
Am I the only one surprised that the phrase "addicted to violent videogames" hasn't been used in any of the articles yet? The media loves a scapegoat after all.
 
In an ideal world guns would be legaal. I don't like the government puting restrictions on us that reduce our freedom. I would love to own a ak and have the odd blast at a target with it.

But not everyone is able to control temselves. Guns arn't needed like cars are for example which are also dangerous.

It is a tricky situation but are lives are easier with them being banned. Maybe when we are more educated and healthy as a society as a whole and there is less murder in general. In a long time...
 
Shocking, the killer was only 19 what a screwed up life he must have lived to be able to go and sluaghter 8 people shopping for Christmas presents.

He wanted to be famous!

On other news if England had guns it would probably be far, far worse than America.

Happy slapping? Happy shooting.
 
He wanted to be famous!

On other news if England had guns it would probably be far, far worse than America.

Happy slapping? Happy shooting.

Shooting a mall up is no way to get famous ffs...
The whole celebrity and materialistic lifestyle thing really is one of the worst things to come out of America(as well as stupid gun laws)
 
If you look at the stats for gun deaths between countries that allow guns and those that don't like the U.K it clearly indicates the obvious which is less guns = less deaths caused by guns.
So there are more gun deaths in countries where there are guns? That's like saying that there's more car deaths caused by people who own cars and not really a reasonable statistic to roll out.

Bombs are banned and cannot be purchased from the high street.
If someone was really bothered about getting hold of a bomb, I'm sure they could make their own - could quite probably get instuctions on the internet.
 
But the guns we are allowed to own here in the UK are greatly limited, like in the US, you can get fully automatic weapons, in the UK, its nearly impossible to get a firearms certificate that will allow you to use a fully automatic weapon. Handguns also are not allowed in the UK, as well as owning a gun for the sake of owning a gun, im not sure if its true for all weapons in the UK, but i know for rifles you need a practicle use for them if you want to own one, like target shooting.

Yes that was half my point. It's the necessarily the fact that guns are available, rather how tight the gun control is.

But anyway, full automatic or not, you can still go on a shooting rampage with them. Look at Columbine for example, the kids were too scared to even move, they just sat under tables praying whilst the shooters picked them off, didn't matter if they had fully automatic weapons or not (They didn't have fully automatic weapons).
 
It's easy to say it's the person behind the gun, but they'd struggle to go on 'rampages' without one. The gun gives a false feeling of power and makes doing something so tragic a lot easier. Remove the gun and you remove a lot of preblems.
 
He wanted to be famous!

On other news if England had guns it would probably be far, far worse than America.

Happy slapping? Happy shooting.

Hungerford
Dunblane

Guns where legal to an extent and look what happened, how many rampages do you see now in this country with guns? A few psychos have got hold of knifes and stabbed a few people to death but like nothing like Hungerford or Dunblane.
 
Hungerford
Dunblane

Guns where legal to an extent and look what happened, how many rampages do you see now in this country with guns? A few psychos have got hold of knifes and stabbed a few people to death but like nothing like Hungerford or Dunblane.

Guns are still legal and there are have been no shooting rampages in UK since.
 
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