Kids!!

[SideWinder]

Shotgun licence? You have got to be kidding me.
Didn't realise basic training took such a short amount of time...

However much you argue, two 16 year old girls were left to their own devices with alcohol. I just can't imagine why you'd just hand over a can of Strongbow..is it to help them sleep?

 

[freshy]

The fact that between them they drank a bottle of diamond white doesnt seem to come into play with you does it? He said one can of strongbow, which lets face its just fizzy apple juice with a pathetic amount of alcohol in it, I seriously doubt any parent would get crabby about that.

from the age of 14 my mum always purchased alcohol for my birthdays, me and my friends would have a drink. It wouldnt be a lot but my mum knew what we had and where we where drinking. I grew out of drinking by the time it was legal for me to enter a pub, and before then I never got completely legless like some do. I now occasionally drink but rarely get drunk.

For those of you who seem to think that 16 year olds drinking is shocking, if you have kids I bet they are out there drinking without your knowledge. Which is worse?

If he poured them a couple of whiskey shots i could understand the uproar, but it was cider, take that pole out of your backside and lighten up!

did you not read my first post then?

 

[SideWinder]

The fact that between them they drank a bottle of diamond white doesnt seem to come into play with you does it? He said one can of strongbow, which lets face its just fizzy apple juice with a pathetic amount of alcohol in it, I seriously doubt any parent would get crabby about that.

from the age of 14 my mum always purchased alcohol for my birthdays, me and my friends would have a drink. It wouldnt be a lot but my mum knew what we had and where we where drinking. I grew out of drinking by the time it was legal for me to enter a pub, and before then I never got completely legless like some do. I now occasionally drink but rarely get drunk.

For those of you who seem to think that 16 year olds drinking is shocking, if you have kids I bet they are out there drinking without your knowledge. Which is worse?

If he poured them a couple of whiskey shots i could understand the uproar, but it was cider, take that pole out of your backside and lighten up!

Alcohol IS still alcohol...5.3% may seem tiny to you but 16 year old girls not used to alcohol? I say not used to as clearly one was extremely sick.

No-one is denying that 16 year olds drink but as freshy stated, he created an alcohol enviroment and the other girl wasn't his daughter. Imagine what the other girl's parents are going to say? "Oh yeah, she does this quite a bit" OR "What the hell have you done to my daughter?!".

Gawd knows how you can compare whiskey to Strongbow...different scale altogether. Strongbow isn't weak.

 

[freshy]

Alcohol IS still alcohol...5.3% may seem tiny to you but 16 year old girls not used to alcohol? I say not used to as clearly one was extremely sick.

No-one is denying that 16 year olds drink but as freshy stated, he created an alcohol enviroment and the other girl wasn't his daughter. Imagine what the other girl's parents are going to say? "Oh yeah, she does this quite a bit" OR "What the hell have you done to my daughter?!".

Gawd knows how you can compare whiskey to Strongbow...different scale altogether. Strongbow isn't weak.

glad someone else has a similar view to me. i really thought my view would be the generally accepted view; had me thinking for a second. then factored in that the time of post will have a younger element to it which might explain some of the viewpoints.

 

[Jonny ///M]

Shotgun licence? You have got to be kidding me.
Didn't realise basic training took such a short amount of time...

However much you argue, two 16 year old girls were left to their own devices with alcohol. I just can't imagine why you'd just hand over a can of Strongbow..is it to help them sleep?

**** sake calm down.....it's one can of strongbow.Maybe if i was introduced to alcohol slowly via my parents i wouldn't have nearly choked to death, slept on the pavement in Glasgow at 6am and got taken in an ambulance after a discussion with police.

 

[SideWinder]

glad someone else has a similar view to me. i really thought my view would be the generally accepted view; had me thinking for a second. then factored in that the time of post will have a younger element to it which might explain some of the viewpoints.

I am honestly so confused by this thread...perhaps it's down to class? I fear i'm about to start a larger arguement with that comment but it's perfectly valid.

**** sake calm down.....it's one can of strongbow.Maybe if i was introduced to alcohol slowly via my parents i wouldn't have nearly choked to death, slept on the pavement in Glasgow at 6am and got taken in an ambulance after a discussion with police.

I am calm but it's not just the consumption, it's the fact Strongbow was still passed over. I just don't understand the logic to it. Why is Strongbow better than say orange juice? Simply because it's alcoholic?

I don't understand the second comment though, probably because i'm tired...sounds like a story?

 

[Jonny ///M]

I am honestly so confused by this thread...perhaps it's down to class? I fear i'm about to start a larger arguement with that comment but it's perfectly valid.





I am calm but it's not just the consumption, it's the fact Strongbow was still passed over. I just don't understand the logic to it. Why is Strongbow better than say orange juice? Simply because it's alcoholic?

I don't understand the second comment though, probably because i'm tired...sounds like a story?

Yes it's to do with class.

 

[SideWinder]

Yes it's to do with class.

Why do you believe it's down to class in your eyes?
I could be extremely stereotypical but again, may spark conflict...

 

[Feef]

My parents would buy me alcohol for birthdays and such from the age of 15 onwards, to be drunk with whoever else was coming. None of their parents freaked out, oddly, they actually did the same thing. And, yeah, there were a few bad experiences of people being ill or silly, we got them out of the way, learned a lesson, and none of us do anything stupid with alcohol any more. Well, often

My friend's dad would always give me a gin and tonic when I went round from the age of 16, I'm yet to cause the downfall of society.

 

[freshy]

i hate it when people use the i learnt my lesson early notion to advocate it on a wider scale. firstly maybe there is no lesson to learn and well brought up kids never need to test their extremes till they are in control of their actions and consequences, if at all.

 

[Feef]

I'm sorry, well brought up kids? Is that judging everyones parenting skill based on your perceptions of what should be done? I'm going to take exception to that, as I think my parents did an absolutely first class job of raising me, and probably did it very differently to how you would approve of.

I'd say there's a lesson to learn - drinking alcohol makes you drunk. You can be told this, and told not to do it, but that will, in my opinion, only serve to make children curious about it. It's not a case of testing extremes, just experimenting, and to say that a "well brought up child" shouldn't be curious about such things implies a very strictly controlled child. I'd prefer a bit of freedom to make my own mistakes and discoveries, bad or good.

Anyway, this seems to be turning a bit too much in to the other thread. Sorry to hear about the mess OP, awkward indeed.

 

[McManicMan]

I also don't see what the problem is, they are 16yr olds in a controlled environment. I'd be more concerned on who got the them the orginal drink that got them in the state they was in in the 1st place.

 

[dakaiez]

What exactly is the problem? When i was growing up and from around the age of 14 my dad used to make me a Shandy, allow me to have some Cider or a Beer as it was his way of getting me ready for 18. I know he gave it to my friends to. I admit at like 16 or so me and my mate got ahold of a bottle of vodka and basically finished it off between us - we would have done it anyway as to be quite honest we wanted to regardless of what my dad would say and we payed dearly for it.

What im trying to say is that even if he did give them both a strongbow, the point being is EVEN if he didn't give them a can each they would have still gone upstairs and necked that bottle of white lightning and they would still be throwing up sick etc.

 

[Richdog]

you can be patronising all you like pal but i am not the one creating a post of such an ilk, having to deal with sick etc. my main point was you should not have given alcohol to her friend, regardless of law etc. Since that law is particualrly sketchy and some parents try to advocate a different way you know.

i don't think it is particualrly apt to laugh it off in such a way. as you say she is still locked in the bathroom etc. and don't take this as me being a wet blanket, as that is far from the truth really.

Some of the members on this forum just really need to get a... ack...

The guy let two 16-year old girls have ONE can of Strongbow each, I was given wine when I was 13 ffs! It's attitudes like yours that contribute to how our kids view alcohol, no wonder Europe is way ahead of us in that regard.

THEY brought the white lightning, not him, and they will live and learn fast. FFS what is it in this day and age where we've become so bloody weak as a society where we start weeping when our kids are sick due to drinking too much cider...

May as well just scrap childhood nowadays, apparently it's not on to do stupid things and make mistakes, we'll just learn form books eh? I would seriously hate to be a child of some of you people, *shudders*

Mind you, I bet 95% of those judging thr OP don't even have kids anyway and are just doing the usual armchair parenting spiel.

 

[Stinky]

Some of the members on this forum just really need to get a... ack...

The guy let two 16-year old girls have ONE can of Strongbow each, I was given wine when I was 13 ffs! It's attitudes like yours that contribute to how our kids view alcohol, no wonder Europe is way ahead of us in that regard.

THEY brought the white lightning, not him, and they will live and learn fast. FFS what is it in this day and age where we've become so bloody weak as a society where we start weeping when our kids are sick due to drinking too much cider...

May as well just scrap childhood nowadays, apparently it's not on to do stupid things and make mistakes, we'll just learn form books eh? I would seriously hate to be a child of some of you people, *shudders*

Mind you, I bet 95% of those judging thr OP don't even have kids anyway and are just doing the usual armchair parenting spiel.

well said... i am struggling to see the problem that people are having with the OP.

One can of cider.... thats nothing. how was he to know that they had another bottle stashed??

 

[MRMOBEUS.]

Op, I wouldn't feel to bad as if I remember rightly, you said they hardly touched the cans anyway! I'ld be more concerned about who bought them the white lightning ( chemical ***** )
Man when I was an ankle biter my parents were great parents but at the same time were so anti-alchahol, anti - sex, anti-sex before marriage, anti-smoking etc and constantly reminded me with an iron fist ( not literally ) that in the end my attitude was this....
Ok I'm gonna do it just to ***s you off now! and that was a downhill spiral into a world of drugs, crime etc... had sex at 17 'before i was married' smoked since i was 11, still do!

My point is, I love my folks and they were generally awesome parents but when it comes down to those tricky rules, I personally think that if they had lightened up and let me do 'some' of those things in a controlled enviroment etc then things may have turned out better!!

And a messege to those parents that think or say ' my kids would never do that! they've been brought up better than that '
Well I'm sorry, but they're probably out there with the rest of 'em avin' a drink and a smoke! ( I'm not saying all!! just some )
My parents used that very line numerous times until they found out the ugly truth!

However Op I'm not having a go but maybe you shoulda checked in on them a few times!! coulda caught them out then! just make out you were making a drink or getting your charger etc etc No offence mate

 

[Deleted member 651465]

Another reason why you need a console, it was the PC's fault

 

[Andrew1978]

THEY brought the white lightning, not him,

Op, I wouldn't feel to bad as if I remember rightly, you said they hardly touched the cans anyway! I'ld be more concerned about who bought them the white lightning ( chemical ***** )

One can of cider.... thats nothing. how was he to know that they had another bottle stashed??

Irresponsible? maybe in as much as I knew there was 80+ cans, 10 bottles of red wine, 1 half used bottle of whiskey and a 2ltr bottle of diamond white in the house when I went to bed. But I told them they could only have the 1 can each.

Nothing wrong with drinking under age, i think pretty much everyone has tried it, it's natural. Although i would never have even dreamed of getting drunk at home while my parents were there.

They never got the alcohol themselves and were told it was ok to drink by being given a can of cider each. it's not really much of a step from a single can each (500ml) to a 2 litre bottle which is 2 cans each. bit of a stupid thing to do to be honest, giving someone elses kid alcohol.

 

[Slinwagh]

They're going to do it anyway mate. He could be anal towards his daughter and try stop it all together but that isn't realistic. Hopefully they've both learned a lesson in moderation.

I agree, I would have asked the friends parents if it was ok first for her to have a drink.

Putting that aside I think the OP has tried to turst his daughter and give her the chance to act like a adult, she has abused his trust and I'm sure he won't let her drink in the house again.

Here is exactly the problem with binge drinking and this is not a dig at the OP's daughter and her friend just a reflection of the "Must get wasted at all costs" attitude towards alcohol.

 

[Richdog]

Nothing wrong with drinking under age, i think pretty much everyone has tried it, it's natural. Although i would never have even dreamed of getting drunk at home while my parents were there.

They never got the alcohol themselves and were told it was ok to drink by being given a can of cider each. it's not really much of a step from a single can each (500ml) to a 2 litre bottle which is 2 cans each. bit of a stupid thing to do to be honest, giving someone elses kid alcohol.

So it was stupid of him to allow them ONE can of alcohol, by any estimation a sensible amount?

You make it sound like they wouldn't have drunk the bottle of cider anyway, and that him saying "have one can" suddenly pressed them into downing the bottle. Be realistic.

Putting that aside I think the OP has tried to turst his daughter and give her the chance to act like a adult, she has abused his trust and I'm sure he won't let her drink in the house again.

Here is exactly the problem with binge drinking and this is not a dig at the OP's daughter and her friend just a reflection of the "Must get wasted at all costs" attitude towards alcohol.

Agree 100%!