Why is it still going to be 32 bit?
yeh im sure they said it will be 64bit only?
Vista successor in 2009
- Thread starter thecremeegg
- Start date
yeh im sure they said it will be 64bit only?
You would not sell Vista to them, if they bought a new PC it would come with Vista anyway and they would migrate their PC experience to it and it would mean less hassle for people like us who have to fix an XP machine because the user tanked it. These types of users do not go out to buy vista and install it themselves, the people that do that are people like us, people who have the knowledge to build a good PC and install an OS from scratch. The rest of the world stay happy with their stock systems as they came.
Likewise in an office environment if the company is buying new machines they're likely to come with Vista by default unless the IT Admin have specific requirements or only buy low end machines and mass install un-attended WinXP etc.
Likewise in an office environment if the company is buying new machines they're likely to come with Vista by default unless the IT Admin have specific requirements or only buy low end machines and mass install un-attended WinXP etc.
seeing as it's being shipped with pretty much all new computers. Then I expect corporations to switch when they upgrade. But that has always been the case. Corporations are usually behind on the os front.
The fact it's being hsipped with all new systems. Is enough to tall you it's in the same league as 98 and xp. And not grouped with me.
I wouldn't be so optimistic, stats are not exactly on Vista's side (I'm on Vista though, don't get me wrong). But hey - there is FatRakoon's benchmark of XP vs Vista in both 32bit and 64bit in the making, so let's just wait for the outcome.
I wouldn't be so optimistic, stats are not exactly on Vista's side (I'm on Vista though, don't get me wrong). But hey - there is FatRakoon's benchmark of XP vs Vista in both 32bit and 64bit in the making, so let's just wait for the outcome.
lets compare it in 6months. everyone was saying exactly the same when xp came out. why upgrade, 98 is faster, more stable etc etc. The os itself is already faster tha xp.
I must be seeing things each day then. Either that or everyone's installed a Vista skin.
Everyone says so, but I actually don't remember that many teething problems with rollout of XP. Few driver issues, Matrox was the biggest problem maker for my XP setup back then IIRC...
We are already over a year after release of Vista, right?.
We are already over a year after release of Vista, right?.
Associate
- Joined
- 15 Jul 2005
- Posts
- 1,231
- Location
- UK
large corperations are still using Windows 2000 or XP, when they order a new PC, it gets wiped, and reimaged using the corparate build
Vista is great for home users imo, but for businesses, it offers no benifts over XP
I read somewhere that Vista was just a stop gap for Blackcomb (Windows 7) and Vista was just a test more than anything. Windows 7 is going to be the daddy as its going for a entire new GUI (rumours are saying that they are removing the start button and taskmge
I have XP32 and Vista64 dual-boot, but only really use XP as I see no advantages using Vista.
Everything I have works with XP, some things don't work with Vista, and the things that do, don't work any better under Vista than XP.
I got a new scanner today which works with Vista, unlike my old one, so that's one problem eliminated. Still a few more problems to sort out before I make a permanent switch though.
I suppose many people are in the same boat. I don't think Vista is crap or like ME, but it just doesn't offer enough new useful features over XP to warrant changing.
Everything I have works with XP, some things don't work with Vista, and the things that do, don't work any better under Vista than XP.
I got a new scanner today which works with Vista, unlike my old one, so that's one problem eliminated. Still a few more problems to sort out before I make a permanent switch though.
I suppose many people are in the same boat. I don't think Vista is crap or like ME, but it just doesn't offer enough new useful features over XP to warrant changing.
Whilst I worked at a IT corp base units arrived and was installed with a pre-build.
Was using Windows 95 way past XP release date. Only a idiot Network manager would rush out to update the workstations.
Associate
- Joined
- 15 Jul 2005
- Posts
- 1,231
- Location
- UK
![Z][GGY](/styles/overclockers/avatars/2.png){kind=avatar}
i also have a dual boot as i'm migrating slowly but at some point i will make the full move but thats down to me as we all have are reasons to stick with said o/s whatever it may be plus i like to play around with a new o/s untill i'm completely happy with it's layout and new features (hate going in blind) but from what i can see of vista i like i see no speed differences at this time but time will tell. XP has grown and matured very well and support is great but if (windows 7) comes out as stated i will buy that aswell why because it's new and i like to play 
It's the idea of Windows going about kernel the linux way that make everyone go "eeeyyyhhh???". If I understand it correctly MinWin is supposed to be core OS that boots into shell, with networking, basic drivers and some server stuff, like light http, all that off 25Mb worth of files with 40Mb of memory.
Kind of takes you back to times of dos prompt, when you had a choice of booting to win 3.11 or win 95 from the same "base". Or run memmaker and fire up Tie Fighter
I'm sorry? Linux is a monolithic kernel (that is a technical term by the way, no seriously, not just my opinion of it
). This means they literally just bundle as much as they can into the kernel (mostly out of laziness) and hope that at the end of the day it still works. Windows on the other hand is a hybrid kernel design. It started off as a micro kernel in NT 3.51. But then by NT 4 they compromised the pureness of the design by adding some much needed "hooks" into the kernel for graphics hardware, to improve UI performance. This is why Windows has the concept of "device drivers". This is actually quite rare in operating systems. Unix nor MacOSX work in this way. Instead you must re-compile the kernel with the source code for the new driver included. Over the years though they've adopted a clunky and unelegant solution whereby you can obtain the drivers in a precompiled form and then run a "patch difference" on the kernel.MinWin is nothing like "Linux". It's simply an internal project to allow some new developers to get to grips with the Windows kernel.
And no. 40MB of memory doesn't take me back to DOS days. At all. DOS was 16-bit and could only address 640KB of memory for use by programs... It takes me back to about Windows 95 (which did have 32-bit virtual memory) running on a very very very high spec machine.
Did you actually see the same XP release as everyone else? XP was far far far worse. XP was the first NT based OS for consumers. So every tom, dick and harry was upgrading from Win95/98/ME to XP. There were horrendous compatibility issues with old software. Drivers weren't so much of a problem because vendors had time to get up to speed with Windows 2000. But software compatibility was the killer. Also as is now common knowledge, XP before SP2 was full of security holes and was consistently being exploited. This was a bigger nightmare for users than incompatible software was. It is amazing that XP has such a good reputation these days. It seems that everybody has forgotton how bad the launch and initial few years of its lifecycle were.Then let's not forget all the FUD I would bet even yourself was spreading back then. "Fisher price user interface" "Slow and bloated compared to Windows 2000" "It's WinME all over again". How times change eh? XP is practically considered a lightweight example of a Windows OS nowadays.
There's a high probability that it will be. They have shipped a 32-bit variant to testers because there's still plenty of 32-bit machines out there. By the end of this year and especially 2009 the situation will be a lot different.
Exactly right, this is MS going back to the norm, the only thing missing from that list was XP SP2 08/04 which was one of the reasons vista was delayed for so long
I didn't mean that MinWin will be like linux in terms of architecture, I meant that everybody is buzzing about MinWin, because of Traums demo at University of Illinois, where he boots 25Mb WinMin in less than 20 seconds into virtual machine as a stand alone entity with shell, networking running and http server chugging in the background. This was what got press psyched up, this how linux references started popping up on zdnet - suddenly everyone had a vision of Windows 7 being this potentially ultra light entity with optional large GUI on top, running services and serving stuff from usb pen sized partition. Journos found it exciting.
It was not the 40Mb that was supposed to take you back to DOS days. It was the sitting in shell deciding whether to fire up graphical interface on top of it or not.
As I said, everyone repeats that but it completely escapes my memory. I remember drivers issues going from NT to Win2000. Of course. But Win2k was just such a big improvement it was worth it. Then when switching to XP the only teething problem I remember is Matrox, their betas didn't work properly, they refused to do anything about it until much later on and that forced us testing XP in the office at the time to roll out nvidia cards and never ever approach Matrox again. It's entirely possible that I just blanked out the rest of the trauma
)), but in general I have good memories of XP switch, both on personal and corporate level, after all this time. Hehe, but then for most home users upgrading from 98 it was probably still an improvement.
I'm not sure I was, as I adopted XP very, very early on my machines, but fisher price interface sound about right - I run XP in "classic mode" until at least until 2005. I just didn't dig the phatness of the frames and green buttons, in the same way as I prefer thin and tidy fluxbox to bloated and obese KDE desktop in linux. I think we should put Jamie Oliver on the case of windows borders getting fatter and fatter over the years. Must be all that junk software it swallows...