Tom Cruise - Has infact everyone else gone mad?

[Heliospherez]

I have seen videos of cruise, I have heard reports of people working with him & how nice he was etc at premiers and while working on movies & I have read many reports on him and his cult.

I use a rational approach and my life experience/education to ascertain that the guy is a nutjob - Simple as..... And a very dangerous nutjob at that (because people are actually starting to think he might be right in some of his statements, simply because they never bothered to read up on the stuff)

 

[sansnom]

How is that different from any other religion?

1. We're not talking about other religions, we're talking about Scientology.
2. If you don't know how this differs from other religions then I suggest you pick up a copy of the Bible, a copy of the Tora and a copy of the Quran and have a read for yourself because the differences are too vast to go into here.

I personally don't know of any religion that has such a twisted, illogical and frankly laughable history (Galactic Lord Xenu and the Galactic Confederacy, the mass slaughter of humans lured under the pretense of being called for "income tax inspections" who were then lined up against the bottom of volcanoes and killed with bombs).

What a ******* joke.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

The only thing to worry me about the video is his constant use of "with us, or not" and way he wants everyone to realise Scientology is "the better way."

 

[NeilF]

I have seen videos of cruise, I have heard reports of people working with him & how nice he was etc at premiers and while working on movies & I have read many reports on him and his cult.

I use a rational approach and my life experience/education to ascertain that the guy is a nutjob - Simply as..... And a very dangerous nutjob at that (because people are actually starting to think he might be right in some of his statements, simply becuase they never bothered to read up on his teachings)

So your life experience and education tells you that Tom Cruise is actually a 'dangerous nutjob'? Might I suggest you get out more, and take some evening classes

Now he's a 'dangerous nutjob'

 

[Lighters]

I see your error. You're reading The Sun.

dont knock the sun j/k its turd rofl, still better than most papers tho

 

[NeilF]

1. We're not talking about other religions, we're talking about Scientology.
2. If you don't know how this differs from other religions then I suggest you pick up a copy of the Bible, a copy of the Tora and a copy of the Quran and have a read for yourself because the differences are too vast to go into here.

I personally don't know of any religion that has such a twisted, illogical and frankly laughable history (Galactic Lord Xenu and the Galactic Confederacy, the mass slaughter of humans lured under the pretense of being called for "income tax inspections" who were then lined up against the bottom of volcanoes and killed with bombs).

What a ******* joke.

Does sound absolutely mentalist doesn't it... I'd love to sit down with a scientologist though and discuss this, as obviously if it sounds this hokey to us, it must sounds pretty much as hokey to them!

 

[Heliospherez]

When you read (and verified by the business owner and the delivery guys & numerous people who saw the boards displayed in various rooms) that an advertisment hoardings business delivered several dozen 6ft boards to Cruises house with the writing "do not make any noise during the birth" - it does tend to make you think he is a nutjob.

Or maybe you think that is totally rational behaviour.

 

[Lysander]

1. We're not talking about other religions, we're talking about Scientology.
2. If you don't know how this differs from other religions then I suggest you pick up a copy of the Bible, a copy of the Tora and a copy of the Quran and have a read for yourself because the differences are too vast to go into here.

I personally don't know of any religion that has such a twisted, illogical and frankly laughable history (Galactic Lord Xenu and the Galactic Confederacy, the mass slaughter of humans lured under the pretense of being called for "income tax inspections" who were then lined up against the bottom of volcanoes and killed with bombs).

What a ******* joke.

Talking about other religions is very relevant because it puts things in perspective and gives us a frame of reference. We have - unless you missed it - already been talking about Christianity quite a bit in this thread.

I do know how Scientology differs from other religions and I have read the Bible all the way through [not that I ever wanted to] as well as the Ramayana, the Upanishads and the first three volumes of the Mahabharata. I wonder if you have.

As for Xenu - yes it sounds bonkers but how is it any more bonkers than Moses parting the Red Sea, the Tower of Babel, The Ascension, God manifesting himself on Earth and performing miracles, Angels and the Host of Seraphim, the monsters, demons and deities of the Hindu religion, belief in the afterlife and Underworld and mutiple gods by the Romans and Egyptians [for example]?

 

[Dolph]

As for Xenu - yes it sounds bonkers but how is it any more bonkers than Moses parting the Red Sea, the Tower of Babel, The Ascension, God manifesting himself on Earth and performing miracles, Angels and the Host of Seraphim, the monsters, demons and deities of the Hindu religion, belief in the afterlife and Underworld and mutiple gods by the Romans and Egyptians [for example]?

Yes, because I can verify it's origin. I may doubt whether the events in the bible happened, but I cannot prove where they came from. Scientology I can. That makes the two very different.

 

[MTA99]

Heard a nice quote the other day about atheism. Can't remember it exactly, but it can be summarised as 'Atheism is the rejection of all religious beliefs. Religion is the rejection of all religious beliefs except one.'

"But if the idea of a god is inherently illogical (if the very idea is self-contradictory or meaningless), or if it is contradicted by the evidence, then there are strong positive reasons to take a harder stance as an atheist – with respect to that particular god. For in this sense, even believers are strong atheists – they deny the existence of hundreds of gods. Atheists like me merely deny one more god than everyone else already does – in fact, I deny the existence of the same god already denied by believers in other gods, so I am not doing anything that billions of people don’t do already." --Richard Carrier

Or more succinctly......

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." --Richard Dawkins

As for Xenu - yes it sounds bonkers but how is it any more bonkers than Moses parting the Red Sea, the Tower of Babel, The Ascension, God manifesting himself on Earth and performing miracles, Angels and the Host of Seraphim, the monsters, demons and deities of the Hindu religion, belief in the afterlife and Underworld and mutiple gods by the Romans and Egyptians [for example]?

Well said! The stories of the Greek gods are now hugely popular story books....wonder when the Bible (et al) will achieve this status?

 

[Lysander]

Yes, because I can verify it's origin. I may doubt whether the events in the bible happened, but I cannot prove where they came from. Scientology I can. That makes the two very different.

The only difference, by this argument, is that you know who the author of Dianetics is, whereas you don't know who wrote the Bible. That's about it. I don't see how that makes Dianetics any less relevant as a religious text.

L Ron Hubbard would argue that the text wasn't written by him - but through him as a medium. The scribes and Disciples who wrote the Bible would say exactly the same thing.

 

[Teki187]

but in recent times, there has been very little exploitation (unless you're going to claim that the collection in church is exploitation)

Had to pick you up on that, if you check BBC news or other news sites* you can find information on how the church's located in certain towns are abusing an ancient law where they can "claim tax" around the influence of the church to do repairs, often costing households between £300-£5000.

*I don't have the time to dig the sources out since im still at work.

 

[NeilF]

When you read (and verified by the business owner and the delivery guys & numerous people who saw the boards displayed in various rooms) that an advertisment hoardings business delivered several dozen 6ft boards to Cruises house with the writing "do not make any noise during the birth" - it does tend to make you think he is a nutjob.

Or maybe you think that is totally rational behaviour.

Don't know, does sound odd, but that's not the question at hand. This topic was me saying I think the two videos I've seen released this week which supposedly 'make Tom Cruise look like a complete wacko', seemingly just don't look particularly odd to me at all!

And it all feels like 'the emperors new clothes to me' with everyone just jumping onboard the irrational media steamboat rather than actually thinking about it

 

[MTA99]

And it all feels like 'the emperors new clothes to me' with everyone just jumping onboard the irrational media steamboat rather than actually thinking about it

Tell me again, how long have you worked for Mr. Cruise?

 

[MHayes]

Scientology ask for money directly, other religions just don't pay tax which surely adds up to a lot of money?
Also Why do they pass the collection box around in public?

 

[Lysander]

Scientology ask for money directly, other religions just don't pay tax which surely adds up to a lot of money?
Also Why do they pass the collection box around in public?

What's wrong with that? It's not like you have to pay.

 

[badbob]

All religions are the same, they're just on a sliding scale of "controlling/nuttiness behaviour" It's not like the Church isn't short of a few bob.

 

[Margaret]

Let me summarise all religions... Something magical happened to create us... We're special, you're not.

Did I miss anything?

Christianity was created by some decadent and degenerated Romans as a tool of oppression, in the late Roman era, and it should be treated accordingly. It is like 'handcuffs' to the mind and spirit and is nothing but destructive to mankind. In fact I don't really see Christianity as a religion. It is more like a spiritual plague, a mass psychosis, and it should first and foremost be treated as a problem to be solved by the medical science. Christianity is a diagnosis. It's like Islam and the other Asian "religions", a HIV/AIDS of the spirit and mind.

I'm not anti-anything but I do agree religion is sort of handcuffs to the mind.

 

[Lysander]

All religions are the same, they're just on a sliding scale of "controlling/nuttiness behaviour" It's not like the Church isn't short of a few bob.

That's about all that needs to be said, really.

 

[badbob]

A athiest viewpoint is..

Let me summarise about humans... Nothing magical happened to create us... We're not special. Miss anything?

That kinda of attitude won't give you a sense of superiority.