Very true, as I said above, it will differ completely from track to track. For the record, the Elise is an amazing car and in most cases is a lot more fun and rewarding to drive, its not just a point and drive type of car
Who else is in the 400 club ?
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Very true, as I said above, it will differ completely from track to track. For the record, the Elise is an amazing car and in most cases is a lot more fun and rewarding to drive, its not just a point and drive type of car
A well set up (handling and engine wise) 400bhp Subaru would ruin an Elise 111R round a track as well as in a straight line. An Exige S would be a better bet to give it a run for its money
So a Subaru with a seriously modified engine and suspension would be faster round a track than a standard soft top road car? Well I never..... By that logic I bet a SC Honda's exige S1 with Nitrons would annihilate the Subaru (and most supercars if we're honest)
My point was that on the road you just can't get the best out of 400BHP. With speed cameras, speed bumps, traffic calming, other traffic etc you rarely get to use half of that power which is why I stopped BHP chasing and bought cars that were more suitable to my driving. The 400+ owners in this thread, what percentage of the time do they take their cars on track? I'd bet it's less than 5 days per year, ie 5/365ths of the time.
Big BHP is great for willy waving but I have much more fun in 150-200BHP these days.
Never had the M5 dynoed so purely guessing on that one. It's a fairly freshly rebuilt engine (~25k miles,) along with a Haywood and Scott custom exhaust and a remap.
The M3 has quite a few modifications. It's cheating a little it has nitrous, but I guess it still counts.
It was dynoed at ~412bhp running a +75bhp progressive shot, however I have now changed the jets for +125bhp progressive, so I would image a fairly high peak output.
E39 M5's normally make about 370-380bhp stock.
mine made 385 with a miltek cat back and 399bhp after a remap. powerstation rollers put it at 403bhp with just the cat back but they are optimistic.
you will be lucky to see the quoted figure with that done to it.
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I agree completely. After owning the C4, which whilst not devestatingly rapid (0-100 in 11.6 and 60 in 5.5), I don't think I'd be inclined to own something like it again (i.e. modern and overtly powerful).
You pile on the miles all too easily in it and it's simply no fun to be wafted along at pace, in a simple passing manuever you've built up to 90MPH in a flick of an eye and it's just trouble........you don't even notice the speed.
Have to say, my Sprint with half the horsepower, live axle, Spax shocks and a 5 speed box was an infinitely more fun machine to drive - and much more rewarding to the driver too, with all the noise, feel and responses you could long for. Much more of a driver's car.
To further that argument - it was even more fun doing the legal limits in the Sprint because it felt much, much faster than you were actually going and as such you didn't get bored, or tired, of driving within the limits.
I suspect a Lotus or little Vauxhall is similar in these respects.
What about double Nitrous then
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Only if you've got uprated footwell bolts.
Fair point but you didnt really clarify anything or make an actual point in your previous post.
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Oh, I agree! I'm sure there are people in here who will be getting what they claim, but likewise I'm sure there are people here who will be getting less than they "estimate"