18 year old + M5 and 5 friends =

"I completely understand where you are coming from assuming that I am irresponsible ... that is definitely understandable. I do sometimes make bad decisions but I am young and I do drive safe and I will not endanger the lives of others."

:rolleyes:
 

Another dead e60 M5, where's the loss in that?


Once upon a time an M5 was a hand built work of art, these days they have evolved into mass produced lunacy (imo).

I pity the father who was daft enough to let his son out in his poor M5.

507BHP is frankly overkill even in an HGV, in a car, just plain daft.

To put that 507BHP in the hands of an 18 year old, Lunacy with a high price.

"I completely understand where you are coming from assuming that I am irresponsible ... that is definitely understandable. I do sometimes make bad decisions but I am young and I do drive safe and I will not endanger the lives of others."
 
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Oh well, a few less spoiled brats in the world (notice how they're called "men" in the article).

And I have no sympathy for the parents of the driver either, they're most likely the source of the M5. Parents of the other kids, maybe, depending on the circumstances.
 
Hang on..

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Isn't the guy on the left....y'know...

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It is of course a tragedy.
 
Anyway back on to topic, i still believe skill determines what car you drive over age imho.

Skill from experience, experience from age :rolleyes:

Makes me think of all the youths bombing around in their chav-mobiles. "Look at me I have driving SKILLZ!" ....BANG, DEAD
 
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One more than you - probably why I appreciate the care required in powerful cars and dont think I'm an uber powersliding RWD driving god :)

But I thought getting Gold in all the driving tests on Gran Turismo 4 made you an uber powersliding RWD driving god by default :(
 
Is palmer audi below F1?

Formula Palmer Audi is no longer considered a stepping stone to F1, it's more like club racing these days.

I had to laugh when I read kirkland say he knew someone who was moving into F1 next year, just knew how easy it would be to disprove that bs! :D

Some of the funniest lies ever.
 
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I'm reminded of the old RAF saying: "A superior pilot is one who uses his superior judgement to avoid those situations which would require the use of his superior skill."


This was a failure of judgement, not skill, and judgement is nearly always (but not always) improved by age. I would guess that sheer driving skill actually probably decreases with age from about 21, as reflexes slow. So if it was skill that matters, not judgement, then you'd expect death rates to rise steadily with age. Of course, as we know, it starts high and then drops slowly. Because drivers learn from their mistakes, if they live long enough - and that's what experience is.

Obviously having both is best, if you have to choose, take experience every time.


M
 
You're 19, not 9! :p

I've managed to cope with 231bhp and RWD for almost a whole year now (18 when I got it, now 19) and haven't crashed, it just involves being... sensible ;)

i dont doubt that i could cope with the power or the rwd, but i think there were worried about me losing the back end in the wet so fair dooze to them
 
Some of the posts on the M5 board are chilling.

"I would be much prefer an 18 year old with brains to have an M5 rather than spend his moeny on some other piece of junk that could kill him and his mates in an accident"

Scary how accurate some people were.
 
Or lots and lots of driving.

you mension that driving skills come with a lot of driving. i have been driving 3 years, i have driven almost the whole of europe, 2006 i got caught speeding, the same year i drove to croatia and back via italy, germany belgium etc. 2007 i drove to germany, up though amsterdam etc.

i would say that i have had more than the average 19 year olds driving experience. i drive 40mile a day to work at back, i have driven 8 different cars and have no problem flipping between car to car.

however i do not think i have the experience to drive something over 200bhp, my MR2 was enough power for me at the moment.

thats my 2 cents
 
I'm reminded of the old RAF saying: "A superior pilot is one who uses his superior judgement to avoid those situations which would require the use of his superior skill."


This was a failure of judgement, not skill, and judgement is nearly always (but not always) improved by age. I would guess that sheer driving skill actually probably decreases with age from about 21, as reflexes slow. So if it was skill that matters, not judgement, then you'd expect death rates to rise steadily with age. Of course, as we know, it starts high and then drops slowly. Because drivers learn from their mistakes, if they live long enough - and that's what experience is.

Obviously having both is best, if you have to choose, take experience every time.


M

very good post

and whats more thoroughly true. Explains the reason why so many young drivers get into accidents despite having quicker reflexes than people say 30 years more senior that have much lower accident rates.
 
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