Weekend Football *SPOILERS* 9-11 February

It isn't really now though is it.

Indeed.

It seems to me that the refs seem to blow too quickly for certain things, example was this weekend with Lee bowyer. I know he's generally hated by all, but there was no way that was a sending off against Birmingham. Then you look at the Lee Carsley tackle against the Reading fella, he nearly snaps his leg, but gets away without warning.

The refs really do seem card happy against some teams/players, but others get away with murder.
 
That is a lovely idea but sadly that isn't the way the league is setup. The league rewards victories by the higher your league position the more money you get. You don't get paid style points or artistic bonuses. Plus clubs like Everton, Blackburn, Newcastle, City et al know no matter how boring there football is to watch they will get bums on sits each week due to hardcore fans
 
I'd prefer to lose a game playing good football, than win a game playing the dullest game of all time.

I doubt you'd say that in a relegation battle. Mid to the bottom of the table teams need these points to achieve success because it brings the cash they desperately need. If they have to grind out a result then fair play to them.

Do 100metre's runners with no chance of winning purposely trip the rest in an attemp to win or just do there best and make it the closest and best race it can be. If blackburn play their best football, it has beaten arsenal and man u and i assume pool and probo chelsea at some point. If its possible, why not try, it will make a better game for everyone involved. even in general this physical/defensive approach rarely works, you might get a couple of draws extra a year, playing for draws is boring, for everyone. Hell even wengers tried the 4-5-1 physical approach, by far and away our most boring games of the past 5 years and also, we've done consistantly worse playing defensively than offensively.

Edit:- another point would be, Man City, away, could have gone ultra defensive and fouled the crap outta man U (honestly, Hamann was no worse than usual at all :p ) but they attacked, a Lot, and they were very entertaining. even though man u were fairly poor, not on purpose, the game was great to watch because there was a lot of simply, great football, some very good attacking and some superb defending. had they gone away and defended and refused to attack it would have been a dull game.

We have attacking games all the time, it just doesn't make for a good media headline. You keep bringing up that Arsenal are a better attacking team but ill re-iterate, you have the money to make this happen. Its all about the players you have in the team and you know that if both teams played an attacking game Blackburn would get slaughtered, we are a physically built team with some good players knocking about, why should we change our playing style because other teams find it hard to beat it? Theres plenty of physical teams out there yet we are scapegoats and its far more interesting for the media to report on supposed "bloodbaths" than it is to talk about when we play well.

Man City have the money to field a quality side, the takeover in the summer helped them bring in Elano & Petrov who have been nothing short of superb this season for them. Its a case of money, if clubs want us to play more attacking football that badly, well they can just give us their spare millions.

Also, nice sig Fozzy :D
 
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That is a lovely idea but sadly that isn't the way the league is setup. The league rewards victories by the higher your league position the more money you get. You don't get paid style points or artistic bonuses. Plus clubs like Everton, Blackburn, Newcastle, City et al know no matter how boring there football is to watch they will get bums on sits each week due to hardcore fans

teams that play better, get better, teams that play to foul, never seem to move forwards, its worth noting ;) . villa for instance are doing there hardest to play great attacking fast football, as have everton over the last 2-3 years. i would say in the past 3-4 years under moyes everton have become the , from my viewpoint, the more attacking and more enjoyable to watch team in liverpool, and have moved up the table and are seriously competing with a team spending massively more money. everton are trying to play attractive good football, they are improving, benetiz is convinced he has to play boring defensive football, liverpool are moving backwards, again, a trend maybe?

When you get to european football aswell, the over physical approach will often get you nowhere.

You could pretty much see that over the past 5 years, teams focused on moving the club to attacking fast paced football are becoming more popular, moving up the table, which will lead to getting more games on TV, more fans, more euro football, more money, higher sponsorship deals, attract better players, etc, etc, etc.

THe clubs that insist on only buying well, physical players come up to the prem and drop straight back down, we see it time and time and time again.

ipswich came in, played great attacking football and did amazingly, i can't say i have a freaking clue what happened their second year though , amazing bad luck, injury to half the team and so on.

everton, man city, blackburn have all beaten the top teams, man city showed playing full on attack, anyone can beat anyone. even playing boring defensive football you aren't massively increasing your chances to hold out for a draw, most clubs that do it tend to concede eventually but kill their chances to score. it DOESN'T work often, i just can't see the point.
 
Only caught glimpses of the Derby game but City played very well, Richards and Dunne are a great partnership.

Watched some of the Chel-Pool game and wtf was that, disgrace.

Funny how United have dropped points as of late, Man United last game at Wigan, what a great day it would be if Wigan beat and stayed up denied them the league.
 
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We made Richards and Dunne look quality with our tactics, Richards has been mediocre since we played them away when he also looked immense; note the thing in common is playing against midget Tevez on his own upfront.
 
But a player goes out to do his job, Tevez plays up front so really he should be able to handle Defenders now, he is not playing under 9s football any more.
 
That was truly woeful yesterday, I'd have posted earlier but I'd been up since 4am and was flagging by the time I got home 6.30pm.

Ferguson cannot possibly blame the crowd for that, they were superb for the first 20 minutes, but there were zero ideas coming from the players, of which, through 90 minutes, only 2 can call themselves footballers for us.

Firstly, I'll start with the positives, Anderson and Tevez were tireless, the latter playing on his own for the entire game against one of the biggest defences in the league and doing well, if Rooney wasn't such a moron getting himself banned you could see something happening. Anderson however I thought was brilliant, he must have covered 3x the yardage of anyone else, he was immense, tracking back, bombing forward, flicking passes in and out and being our biggest threat from midfield.

Now on to the bad. Brown and Ferdinand couldn't pass a football at all. Ferdinand has been flawless this season, but today he was next to useless, I genuinely lost count of the stray passes and though his work off the ball wasn't too bad losing possession with no one behind you is less than schoolboy standard. Brown though.... Jeez, not ones did he ever track back to cover their only threat, Petrov. He just decided to walk back time and time again leading Ferdinand to kick out of touch time and time again. Woeful.

The very worst however can only be saved for those two legendary 'professionals', Giggs and Scholes who both had possibly their worst games EVER. They were ******* useless... and that's being kind. Never have I been so infuriated by lacklustre play. They did everything in slow-motion. Ronaldo didn't have the best of games, but on at least 10 occassions he made the run for a ball over the top only for Giggs to look the other way or for Scholes to put his foot on the ball, turn around a couple of times then play the 'bail out ball' to Anderson in the hope he'd create something.

It's been a long time since I've heard the OT crowd boo, venting their anger so much, especially as Man City were poor, constantly keeping the ball in the air playing spoiling tactics. Their goals being a major annoyance (obviously) because they kept trying the exact same thing... come on lads, after near post flick on corner after near post corner you should get the idea, but no, we stand off, flick on comes and it's a goal. Schoolboy.

For the sake of Man Utd I hope Ferguson ******* roasted them. If Arsenal win today that's 5 points behind and we don't look like being able to play football after seeing the last 2 games... seeing us beat Arsenal, I don't know, especially since VDS is going through yet another period of slapping everything infront of him again, could be dangerous against Arsenal. We're going to need a huge chunk of luck, but if you can't play football this close to the end of the season you don't deserve to be Champions.

Looks like Scholes coming back is the worst thing that could have happened, we've gone from a team looking like we'd beat anyone to the same old predictable Man Utd where Giggs and Scholes cost us and do things too slowly. Is it a co-incidence? Possibly, but I have my doubts.

We might have to 'do a Liverpool' and focus on Europe now. Losing to the teams we've lost at this season is a disgrace.
 
Anderson was far below his average performances of this season, again giving the ball away cheaply and it seemed that Scholes was dropping very deep way to often

Anderson was the best of our team by a mile today, and he's hardly been 'average' this season. Anderson played a lot of the game in the 'Mascherano' position just infront of the back 4 whilst Scholes was stood somewhere. I genuinely had to look around for Scholes (and Giggs) on several occassions, and that's no exaggeration. I think Anderson genuinely struggled to play with Scholes.
 
Anderson was the best of our team by a mile today, and he's hardly been 'average' this season. Anderson played a lot of the game in the 'Mascherano' position just infront of the back 4 whilst Scholes was stood somewhere. I genuinely had to look around for Scholes (and Giggs) on several occassions, and that's no exaggeration. I think Anderson genuinely struggled to play with Scholes.

I love the way you call it the Mascherano position. Is that an admission that he has made that position his own by his far superior performances in that role to everyone else? :D :D

On the Liverpool Chelsea match, Chelsea were there for the taking yet again. Just like the match at Anfield we had the perfect chance to get a result there and Crouch's inefficiency cost us the game. Quite a lot of reds are saying 'oh we played well', it's simply not good enough. Sure, I am not so naive to think we stand any chance of winning anything of merit this year but to accept a draw against a rival due to the fact we played okay is not acceptible or the Liverpool way.
 
No, it was just so simple people know what I was talking about ;).

Getting a draw against the top 4 is actually a result for Rafa though :p. From what I heard on the radio on the way back it did seem like Chelsea were there for the taking as you said, Chelsea have ridden their luck a lot in recent weeks, it would appear it's holding out for now.
 
No, it was just so simple people know what I was talking about ;).

Getting a draw against the top 4 is actually a result for Rafa though :p. From what I heard on the radio on the way back it did seem like Chelsea were there for the taking as you said, Chelsea have ridden their luck a lot in recent weeks, it would appear it's holding out for now.

They were mate. Should easily have walked away with the 3 points and if Mr Torres was playing I am sure we would have done. Just goes to show the lack of quality in our squad at the moment :(
 
Atleast you have more than 2 strikers :p. Once again we were knackered with our lack of strikers (which everyone saw coming). Though why we played the ball in the air to Tevez for 80 of the 90 minutes I really can't understand, ball on the floor is where we get well over 90% of our goals :(.

I was critical of Torres when you signed him, but I wish we had him, we need a new/another striker. Manucho is untested, Saha is a crock, why we got rid of Rossi I don't understand. Hopefully we get Benzema, but rumour is Saha is part of any deal, which leaves us in the same predicament anyway.

We're knackered through a lack of strikers, you're knackered through a lack of quality in your forwards. We should meet half-way :p.
 
Atleast you have more than 2 strikers :p. Once again we were knackered with our lack of strikers (which everyone saw coming). Though why we played the ball in the air to Tevez for 80 of the 90 minutes I really can't understand, ball on the floor is where we get well over 90% of our goals :(.

I was critical of Torres when you signed him, but I wish we had him, we need a new/another striker. Manucho is untested, Saha is a crock, why we got rid of Rossi I don't understand. Hopefully we get Benzema, but rumour is Saha is part of any deal, which leaves us in the same predicament anyway.

We're knackered through a lack of strikers, you're knackered through a lack of quality in your forwards. We should meet half-way :p.

It's more than forwards in our lot. Babel shows promise but isn't quite there yet. Hopefully he will develop, but he is no Ronaldo.

Pennant has never been and never will be good enough. He was signed because they wouldn't give him the money to get Alves, Rafa's number one choice. He hugs the touchline well but that's about it

Riise has been underperforming for two seasons now. We desperately need a solid left back. Finnan is steady eddie at right back but if he gets injured Arbeloa isn't good enough there.

Really we need two wingers, a left back and I would like to see a Pablo Aimar type player come in that can play off a forward and link the midfield in. I don't want Aimar though as he is too lightweight. Van Der Vaart would fit the bill for me as I guess he could be snapped up quite cheaply.

Anyway, two cup games in a week now. Bring on the mighty Barnsley!
 
That was truly woeful yesterday, I'd have posted earlier but I'd been up since 4am and was flagging by the time I got home 6.30pm.

Ferguson cannot possibly blame the crowd for that, they were superb for the first 20 minutes, but there were zero ideas coming from the players, of which, through 90 minutes, only 2 can call themselves footballers for us.

Firstly, I'll start with the positives, Anderson and Tevez were tireless, the latter playing on his own for the entire game against one of the biggest defences in the league and doing well, if Rooney wasn't such a moron getting himself banned you could see something happening. Anderson however I thought was brilliant, he must have covered 3x the yardage of anyone else, he was immense, tracking back, bombing forward, flicking passes in and out and being our biggest threat from midfield.

Now on to the bad. Brown and Ferdinand couldn't pass a football at all. Ferdinand has been flawless this season, but today he was next to useless, I genuinely lost count of the stray passes and though his work off the ball wasn't too bad losing possession with no one behind you is less than schoolboy standard. Brown though.... Jeez, not ones did he ever track back to cover their only threat, Petrov. He just decided to walk back time and time again leading Ferdinand to kick out of touch time and time again. Woeful.

The very worst however can only be saved for those two legendary 'professionals', Giggs and Scholes who both had possibly their worst games EVER. They were ******* useless... and that's being kind. Never have I been so infuriated by lacklustre play. They did everything in slow-motion. Ronaldo didn't have the best of games, but on at least 10 occassions he made the run for a ball over the top only for Giggs to look the other way or for Scholes to put his foot on the ball, turn around a couple of times then play the 'bail out ball' to Anderson in the hope he'd create something.

It's been a long time since I've heard the OT crowd boo, venting their anger so much, especially as Man City were poor, constantly keeping the ball in the air playing spoiling tactics. Their goals being a major annoyance (obviously) because they kept trying the exact same thing... come on lads, after near post flick on corner after near post corner you should get the idea, but no, we stand off, flick on comes and it's a goal. Schoolboy.

For the sake of Man Utd I hope Ferguson ******* roasted them. If Arsenal win today that's 5 points behind and we don't look like being able to play football after seeing the last 2 games... seeing us beat Arsenal, I don't know, especially since VDS is going through yet another period of slapping everything infront of him again, could be dangerous against Arsenal. We're going to need a huge chunk of luck, but if you can't play football this close to the end of the season you don't deserve to be Champions.

Looks like Scholes coming back is the worst thing that could have happened, we've gone from a team looking like we'd beat anyone to the same old predictable Man Utd where Giggs and Scholes cost us and do things too slowly. Is it a co-incidence? Possibly, but I have my doubts.

We might have to 'do a Liverpool' and focus on Europe now. Losing to the teams we've lost at this season is a disgrace.

Agree with Scholes and Giggs, why Fergie insists on using them as first choice is beyond me, both are past their best and should be becoming squad players now, not pinning our hopes in important games on them. We look much better when we play Anderson and a more defensive midfielder. Whats the point in having Carrick and Hargreaves if your going to play two attacking players in the middle? Giggs doesn't work well in the way Fergie played him yesterday, he just doesn't seem sure where he should be, up front, or on the left, or cutting back, so he tries all three at the wrong times.

Unfortunately I don't think the players got much of a rollocking, as Fergie overtook us on the way out of the ground smiling and waving..
 
Don't think he is injured. He's just crap.

It's also probably some sort of karma for including a Liverpool player in anything to do with that horrible rag of a newspaper.

He is injured and he's not crap. He's been excellent for us this season, looked dodgy when he had to cover at cb but you can't blame him for that.
 
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