Blu-ray Victorious

Shimmyhill · 17 Feb 2008 at 14:57

Mammalian said:
how is it fact? unless you are part of sony, which im pretty certain you are not as you are against them, how on earth could you possibly know what sony wanted? your not seriously basing this failing thing all on something the people advertising the ps3 said are you? if i was selling a product which i knew was going to have a lot of competition, you know what i would do as does every other company, act really confident in your product so people think it must be amazingly great as even with fierce competition you still expect massive sales. This of course is not true, with fierce competion there is going to be a decrease in sales.

Sony revised the sales targets due to the 'underperformance of the ps3' they also revised comapny profits and had a share price fall at the last financial year.

First hit in google : http://uk.reuters.com/article/techn...edType=RSS&feedName=technology-media-telco-SP

El_Watcher · 17 Feb 2008 at 15:13

Can we get back to the point of this thread, i.e. an unconfirmed report that Toshiba is stopping production of hardware.
I say unconfirmed because it is a Japanese broadcaster saying this is true, but no one at Toshiba has given any information.

unwashed potato! · 17 Feb 2008 at 15:24

Shimmyhill said:
Sony revised the sales targets due to the 'underperformance of the ps3' they also revised comapny profits and had a share price fall at the last financial year.

First hit in google : http://uk.reuters.com/article/techn...edType=RSS&feedName=technology-media-telco-SP

yeah fair enough but again how does anyone know it is fact that sony were expecting higher sales other then thats what they tell us? there is no proof that they were ever expecting high sales, infact they may have been expecting terrible sales, but then you wouldn't say that would you, oh yeah buy the ps3, we are expecting terible sales, you wouldn't, you'd say, even with fierce competiion we are still expecting great sales because our system is so muchbetter then the compeition, this in turn would increase sales.

The guy saying the ps3 being a failure is fact because sony were expecting higher sales, when just from one example i gave prooving that there is no proof sony were ever actually expecting higher sales. So going by the your method, ps3 actually could be a huge huge success, in that if sony sercretly only expected 500,000 sales, then they have done far greater then expected = success.

james.miller · 17 Feb 2008 at 15:39

AndrewPE28 said:
CD-Rom formats?, do you mean CDR? or CD in general because Phillips invented the CD.

it was a joint venture, you can confirm this on phillips's site. phillips were first to test a prototype, but cd as we know it today is very much sony child as it is phillips's.

Shimmyhill said:
Why are you defending the PS3, it is failing to sell as Sony wanted - this is not opinion but fact.

falling short of predictions does not mean its a failure outright. come on, you know that.

Shimmyhill said:
Wow i didnt realise this was a Sony fanboy place.

Lets have a look at the stats.

The ps3 is selling at slower rate than the ps1 or ps2 did, it has sold less at the same time in its lifespan than either revious consoles. It has a lower attach rate and has less games sold. It is failing and is costing Sony money. It may well turn around and outsell both but currently it is a failure.

you need to check your facts before stating them. Sony have sold 1 million ps3's quicker than than the ps2 and the 360 did. thats sold, not shipped. to be honest im tired of the rubbish you are talking lately about the ps3. its totally unfounded.

Shimmyhill · 17 Feb 2008 at 15:44

I can see your point but remember sales targets are not random figures aimed to promote confidence. Profit margins, financial results and share prices are all linked to sales targets - when Sony revised them they are telling the city that they will make less money and share prices will be weaker. Sony would not revise down targets given the choice, they have an obligation to do so as it impacts the companies value - investors do not want to find out at the end of the year that the money they have invested is about to become worth much less so you do it in the year to make the effect less.

Shimmyhill · 17 Feb 2008 at 16:00

james.miller said:
falling short of predictions does not mean its a failure outright. come on, you know that.

As i have said, as it stands the PS3 is a failure, it may well go on to being the biggest selling console ever.

james.miller said:
you need to check your facts before stating them. Sony have sold more ps3's in a year than the ps2 and the 360 has. to be honest im tired of the rubbish you are talking lately about the ps3. its totally unfounded.

The PS2 was in short supply for much longer and was relativly more expensive, also that was confirmed as Shipped 1 million and not sold. It was also the first to a million and not the most units in a year - maybe you should check your own facts

james.miller · 17 Feb 2008 at 16:05

Shimmyhill said:
As i have said, as it stands the PS3 is a failure, it may well go on to being the biggest selling console ever.

The PS2 was in short supply for much longer and was relativly more expensive, also that was confirmed as Shipped 1 million and not sold. It was also the first to a million and not the most units in a year - maybe you should check your own facts

its sold (in the uk), and i edited before you quoted. i should actually have written 1 million and not a year of course, but then i already knew that as i posted the story here. so i know the facts. but thanks anyway. the point is, its not doing anywhere nearly as bad as you would like people to think.

Shimmyhill said:
As i have said, as it stands the PS3 is a failure, it may well go on to being the biggest selling console ever.

you are wrong

Energize · 17 Feb 2008 at 16:37

FrankJH said:
Not really sure how they forced any of them - of course something like this is going to be designed for something in particular (whether its cd for digital music, or br for movies primarily) no one was forced to buy into either one - if anything BR was chosen by the consumer instead of another format, cant really say thats forcing it onto us

The psp only supported memory stick pro duo, so people had no choice other than to buy those cards, despite sd being the mainstream format.

AndrewPE28 said:
CD-Rom formats?, do you mean CDR? or CD in general because Phillips invented the CD.

Sony and Philips both developed the cd and cd-r.

Tom84 · 17 Feb 2008 at 17:00

Quick question,

Now it does seem that BlueRay has indeed won the highdef war is it worth going and getting a standalone player or should I just use my PS3 to play BlueRay films?

Nymins · 17 Feb 2008 at 17:03

Tom84 said:
Quick question,

Now it does seem that BlueRay has indeed won the highdef war is it worth going and getting a standalone player or should I just use my PS3 to play BlueRay films?

Definitely just use your PS3. It will keep itself up-to-date with the new Profiles when they come out. It would be a waste of money getting a standalone, and even some of the standalones dont perform nearly as well as the PS3.

Tom84 · 17 Feb 2008 at 17:11

Nymins said:
Definitely just use your PS3. It will keep itself up-to-date with the new Profiles when they come out. It would be a waste of money getting a standalone, and even some of the standalones dont perform nearly as well as the PS3.

Does the PS3 upscale standard DVD's?

Sorry if that's a noobish question

Shimmyhill · 17 Feb 2008 at 17:23

Tom84 said:
Does the PS3 upscale standard DVD's?

Sorry if that's a noobish question

It does and does a good job, also a very good Bluray player with latest profiles an 24p etc.

unwashed potato! · 17 Feb 2008 at 17:26

Tom84 said:
Does the PS3 upscale standard DVD's?

Sorry if that's a noobish question

fairly certain that all high definition players do so the ps3 does yes, though again this is just from what i can remember some will upscale better then others and im not sure how good the ps3 is at it

Tom84 · 17 Feb 2008 at 18:20

See I was looking at the buying the Sony BDPS300 and that apparently upscales up to 1080p but then that surely boasts the question as to why would you then buy films on BlueRay if the player itself displays the same quality on standard DVD's?

Or again am I missing something here?

james.miller · 17 Feb 2008 at 18:26

Tom84 said:
See I was looking at the buying the Sony BDPS300 and that apparently upscales up to 1080p but then that surely boasts the question as to why would you then buy films on BlueRay if the player itself displays the same quality on standard DVD's?

Or again am I missing something here?

well, its pretty simple really. you cant blow something up by roughly 2.5 times and expect it to be anymore near as good as something running at a higher native resolution. to put it in to numbers, bluray and hd-dvd have a resolution 5 times higher than sd dvd.

unwashed potato! · 17 Feb 2008 at 18:29

Tom84 said:
See I was looking at the buying the Sony BDPS300 and that apparently upscales up to 1080p but then that surely boasts the question as to why would you then buy films on BlueRay if the player itself displays the same quality on standard DVD's?

Or again am I missing something here?

of course otherwise like you say why would you bother.

upscaling is upscaling, making crap look "better" on the big tv's (which most tvs do better then dvd players anyway iirc) where as a blueray is much better quality and sound

Johnnytoxic · 17 Feb 2008 at 18:52

Shimmyhill your deluded. Of course it's not selling as many !!! Did you not see what the launch price of the PS3 was.

You would have to be an idiot to not know the PS3 wouldn't sell as well with it's hefty price tag. Until the blu-ray components could be made cheaper only then could Sony cut the prices AND only now have sales started to pick up.

It takes time. Just because sales have not gone through the roof in the first year does not make it a failure. This is a marathon not a 100meter sprint.

unwashed potato! · 17 Feb 2008 at 19:21

johnnyfive said:
This is a marathon not a 100meter sprint.

exactly, it's impossible to fail a race when you're still running, espeiclaly when you got rockets on your feet which are about to explode.

Shimmyhill · 17 Feb 2008 at 19:23

It's You're

Judge it by Sonys targets and i say currently its a failure - when it starts flying then we can adjust its success status

At the very least Sonys position in the market has been damaged, not the lead console lost many exclusives etc and a generally poor start from the lies pre launch to the missed targets after - we shall see if they recover.

stoofa · 17 Feb 2008 at 19:38

Tom84 said:
Quick question,

Now it does seem that BlueRay has indeed won the highdef war is it worth going and getting a standalone player or should I just use my PS3 to play BlueRay films?

At the moment - stick to your PS3.
There aren't any profile 2 Blueray players available at the moment.
Profile 1 & 1.1 players cannot be upgraded, so with the PS3 you've got the only upgradeable Blueray player.

Once Profile 2 players do hit the market - expected around May/June time then the PS3 may well have some competition.

I was always going to go Bluray - I just cannot decide to go for the PS3 option right now or to wait that little bit longer for the Profile 2 stand-alone players.