can i get christened at 23?

Why would God need to make a decision when it is supposedly all knowing? Surely a course of action should be known, rather then decided upon.

Decisions are left to us animals. Gods should just...Do. :p

Go if he existed would just see time as another dimension and so would have "already" (as in always) made his decisions. Hence he does not do but always has done. I'm not sure how this would be discussed without a time frame though...
 
Why would God need to make a decision when it is supposedly all knowing? Surely a course of action should be known, rather then decided upon.

Decisions are left to us animals. Gods should just...Do. :p

Decision isn't necessarily the right word. And from our point of view, within time, God just is.

However, elaborating in a highly speculative manner, in which the word 'believe' could equally mean 'consider it a possibility', I've presented the following in quotes as it's kind of 'internal processing'. It's dealing with concepts that I find difficult to articulate so consider it a thought bubble...

I believe in a personal, interventionist God. I believe he 'sees' space and time in their entirity, on every level of detail, from the entire universe down to individual human lives. He knows us intimately and entirely. Each answered prayer is commanded back into the whole of creation, which does everything necessary to obey the creator. The answer to prayer might even start before the prayer was uttered.

God may experience space and time in their entirity but he is independent from them, and creatures such as ourselves still have freedom to operate. We still have free will - given to us by God - and if it wasn't for each one of us, God would 'experience' the universe differently.

Oh yeah - christening or baptism - ask your priest / minister / vicar / pastor / whatever you have (if I've not just put you right off)...
 
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Why do these threads always have to end up like this, if your an Atheist and you cant say anything nice dont say anything!!

No. Atheists (the bright ones anyway) are very useful for pointing out when we're talking utter nonesense (see my previous post ;) ), and Christians tend not to pick each other up enough on that.

I hate it when everyone feels the need to agree on everything.
 
I'd like to table a motion to have this thread locked given that the anti-religious morons have trolled this into oblivion.

Honestly, guys, it was a simple question. You could have just left it be for someone to answer but noooo we have to have ANOTHER religion debate.

You bunch of idiots.
 
Just because you disagree with them, doesn't necessarily mean it's trollage. I don't know about the others, but I feel we're under obligation to fight religion wherever it rears its beardy head. If someone started a thread asking how they could set up a weekly automatic lottery ticket purchase, I'd feel the same way.

Atheists: Internet Superheroes
 
Let me remind you that Newton and many other great minds have been Christians. This country was built on the foundation of Christian values.

Science is not a way to live, it cannot teach you morals, grace and inner peace.
Great Post:)
Oh please. Newton was also mad as a box of frogs. Just because he was a genius doesn't make him infallible.

Science might not be able to teach you morals, grace and inner peace, but if you look at the history of religion, there isn't a lot of any of those things there either. There claims to be, but that's not the same thing.

To the OP - you can get baptised at any age. It can be done anywhere, as far as I know. A friend of my brother got baptised in a river. I asked if that meant there was a team of priests upstream constantly blessing the water so that the holy stuff didn't just flow away quickly, but I got some dirty looks and shut up (I wasn't there, before anyone assumes I'm a complete **** ;) )
 
Oh please. Newton was also mad as a box of frogs. Just because he was a genius doesn't make him infallible.

Science might not be able to teach you morals, grace and inner peace, but if you look at the history of religion, there isn't a lot of any of those things there either. There claims to be, but that's not the same thing.

To the OP - you can get baptised at any age. It can be done anywhere, as far as I know. A friend of my brother got baptised in a river. I asked if that meant there was a team of priests upstream constantly blessing the water so that the holy stuff didn't just flow away quickly, but I got some dirty looks and shut up (I wasn't there, before anyone assumes I'm a complete **** ;) )

Big up the Macc unbelievers massive :D we should have a rally or something
 
Let me remind you that Newton and many other great minds have been Christians. This country was built on the foundation of Christian values.

Science is not a way to live, it cannot teach you morals, grace and inner peace.

No, watching television/movies did that, seriously.
 
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Not to go through that entire 'article' which has done the rounds and been torn to shreds on many occasions, but even this simple piece it couldn't get right:

"Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

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Whoever wrote the piece needs to look up human evolutionary theory a little more closely. We did not evolve from monkeys. Look it up.

As for the people telling the 'anti-religious morons' to shut up, why should we? Too long we've had to put up with the 'religious morons' banging on our door, trying to 'show us the light', ringing bells at stupid o'clock on a Sunday morning when most sensible people are in bed cramming their head under the pillows.

Can you really blame us for trying to show people a little science? To actually raise their level of intelligence, force them to look at the world differently and constantly challenge their beliefs rather than idle by with simplistic proto-truths?

Seriously. I don't mean to denigrate any religion here, or blow atheism's trumpet, however: Believe it or not, there is a negative correlation between the proportion of a population which defines itself as religious, and that population's average IQ. Or, inversely, the higher the percentage of a population which defines itself as Atheist, the general trend is the higher the IQ. Numerous scientific studies have been carried since the 1920s confirming this.

I know IQ has nothing to do with Faith, and whether God exists or not. I just want to belabour the point to anyone that will listen/read that religion is not the answer, never has been the answer, and never will have the answer.
 
Seriously. I don't mean to denigrate any religion here, or blow atheism's trumpet, however: Believe it or not, there is a negative correlation between the proportion of a population which defines itself as religious, and that population's average IQ. Or, inversely, the higher the percentage of a population which defines itself as Atheist, the general trend is the higher the IQ. Numerous scientific studies have been carried since the 1920s confirming this.

I know IQ has nothing to do with Faith, and whether God exists or not. I just want to belabour the point to anyone that will listen/read that religion is not the answer, never has been the answer, and never will have the answer.
Also, there is a lower proportion of atheists in prison compared to the general population.

True.
 
Just because you disagree with them, doesn't necessarily mean it's trollage. I don't know about the others, but I feel we're under obligation to fight religion wherever it rears its beardy head. If someone started a thread asking how they could set up a weekly automatic lottery ticket purchase, I'd feel the same way.

Atheists: Internet Superheroes

It is clearly trolling. They're destroying a thread that doesn't concern them, but they get a pass from the mods because it's to do with religion, which is fair game.
 
Wow, guy asks how to be christened and it turns into the usual religion bashing thread. Bravo OCUK, Bravo...
 
Science is not a way to live, it cannot teach you morals, grace and inner peace.

Morality comes from the ability to identify with others, which in turn requires imagination. I got my imagination from reading books, but you can get it from imagining a god, or watching films, or any number of other places.
 
It is clearly trolling. They're destroying a thread that doesn't concern them, but they get a pass from the mods because it's to do with religion, which is fair game.

It's called general discussion. Discussions are allowed to develop about many subjects. OP's question has been answered - just because the discussion has turned to the validity of doing what he's doing, just because it's about religion, it should be exempt?
 
It's called general discussion. Discussions are allowed to develop about many subjects. OP's question has been answered - just because the discussion has turned to the validity of doing what he's doing, just because it's about religion, it should be exempt?

If you want to argue religion, there's better places to do it... like in a thread about the merits of religion. The OP asked a question specifically about religion, not about whether he should be religious or not.

Imagine if I went into the hardware forums and, say, insisted on telling everyone asking for support on AMD CPUs that they should have bought Intel instead. How long do you think it would be until I got banned or at least ticked off?
 
and all my family except me was christened.

Peer pressure then?

Science is not a way to live, it cannot teach you morals, grace and inner peace.

Are you saying those with no faith have no morals, grace or inner peace? Is that your way of elevating yourself above atheists?
 
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