Virgin set to adopt three strikes policy

Rainmaker said:
Where do I find out what is and isn't allowed?
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There isn't a definitive list, but common sense should tell you what's allowed and isn't - if it links to warez, it isn't allowed.
The site I'm thinking of (and that pops up in every Usenet thread that "disappears") does exactly that, and is a lot more specific than Google.

If you're not sure, the best answer is to either err on the side of caution (i.e. don't post it) or ask someone.
 
would have been nice if you gave me that sort of warning in my usenet thread that was removed. I only mentioned the website because it had a usenet search on it, if i had know OcUK frowns on such websites being posted here i would have edited my post.
 
What warning?
The dozens of threads/posts/references to sites that we remove isn't enough? Maybe the umpteen Usenet threads I've personally posted in (and it's not like the rest of the UBs/Dons/Admins haven't warned people before), warning that mentioning certain sites isn't allowed, posts mentioning them will be removed and then threads removed if they can't discuss Usenet without discussing warez sites?

It's not like this is a new thing...

tolien said:
common sense should tell you what's allowed and isn't - if it links to warez, it isn't allowed.
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My thread could have easily continued a proper discussion about usenet (it started as a help thread as i was having problems, which people were trying to help solve when it was deleated), but instead of my post being removed, or edited, the whole thread went.

Yes it was my fault that caused the thread to go, and if i used common sense there would have been no problem, but it was very late at night and i was very sleepy at the time of writing the thread so it didnt pop up in my mind that it would be an issue to mention the site.

Anyway, enough about that, ill get back on topic now. What do companys like the RIAA require as proof before they send out cease and decist letters to ISPs to pass on to their customers? Is an IP connecting to a tracker enough? or do the actully see if data is requested/uploaded by that IP?

i ask because its possible to send an IP to a tracker, as if that IP is a torrent user, even if the real owner of that IP has no clue about it. If an IP on a trackers list is all that is required, it would be possible to set other people up to get these letters from the RIAA, if they bother to check that the IP is infact trying to upload/download though, its not realy an issue.

My stance on the subject is that although its the law, and the RIAA is well within their rights to protect their own property, they should spend more time/money on developing products/delivery methods that the customers want instead of hasseling people for money, which ends up just making the RIAA/MPAA/etc look like the big bad guys which the torrent users need to rally against, and fight back.
 
What is the best way to get out of a VM contract early?

Im not asking for this reason, Im asking as my contract runs to October yet we all move out of our student house in June!

..... and VM suck! for many, many reasons!
 
Rainmaker said:
...Usenet is propagated around hundreds of servers around the world as content is uploaded...

With Giganews (I keep using those as an example as they're who I'm with), they index Usenet onto a huge server and then supply customers with the content on demand.
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If the content is on the Giganews servers - why don't they just get shutdown?
 
clv101 said:
If the content is on the Giganews servers - why don't they just get shutdown?
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The main 'traditional' use for Usenet is merely discussion boards, and the binaries posted aren't just copyrighted stuff, there are thousands upon thousands of legitimate files posted (Linux distros etc).

Some Usenet providers have been targeted with legal action before now, but under the DMCA as long as they comply with takedown notices then they are within the law and able to carry on.

Basically there are so many files uploaded and downloaded to the servers it would be impossible for Giganews and the other providers to monitor everything and remove copyrighted content, so content only gets removed if they are issued with a takedown notice, as such they comply with the DMCA, so there's nothing for them to get shutdown for.
 
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I would have thought that as long as you use 'Private' Torrent site's you will be ok ?

Also uTorrent has a setting you can turn on to Encrypt the connection, which should put the evil's at bay from seeing what you are downloading / uploading.

This will probably open the floodgate's for encrypted content so that the powers that be cannot see what you are doing, after all, where there is a will there is a way :D
 
Bobcat said:
Private as in not Public like the 'Nova' site's etc, a Private Tracker/Site that is invite only, and vetted before your accepted :)
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That offers no protection at all - I can use those sites and for all anyone knows I work for WarnerBros.
 
Rainmaker said:
Easy - you get SSL encrypted Usenet
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If they wanted to find out what you were sending/receiving they would just intercept the SSL cert that is sent from source to location before its accepted and then they will have your encryption anyway.

Only way to really deter ISP's from wanting to pursue looking through the files you download is to split the top folder into multiple archives archives with random names apart from the extension and apply a 1024 bit encryption to all the files. Atleast then they wont be able to see what you have transfered unless they actively sit there and watch everything you transfer and piece the files together themselves before trying to break the 1024 bit encryption.
 
Schnippzle said:
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Isn't that exactly what Usenet does? Multiple randomly named rar files (usually just numbered, sent over strong SSL). Besides, don't forget that downloading is a CIVIL infringement, it's uploading/sharing that attracts the criminal charges.

The way the CIVIL bodies prove you're sharing is to catch your IP on public torrent/p2p nodes. To actually intercept my SSL certificate from a download server, in order to break any encryption I'm using, they'd need a court order based on criminal allegations.

RIPA (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act) et al. strongly prevents them from intercepting any of my traffic for such uses - especially for a simple civil infringement! Actually to wiretap my connection like that (sniffing SSL certs, breaking encryption) without said court order and criminal juristiction (police etc) would cause a multitude of criminal acts (Computer Misuse Act, Wireless Telegraphy Act...).

They can't just say "Hey we think Mr X is downloading pr0n from Usenet" and decide to sniff, capture and decode your traffic like that. Not in the UK anyway lol
 
Rainmaker said:
Isn't that exactly what Usenet does? Multiple randomly named rar files (usually just numbered, sent over strong SSL). Besides, don't forget that downloading is a CIVIL infringement, it's uploading/sharing that attracts the criminal charges.

The way the CIVIL bodies prove you're sharing is to catch your IP on public torrent/p2p nodes. To actually intercept my SSL certificate from a download server, in order to break any encryption I'm using, they'd need a court order based on criminal allegations.

RIPA (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act) et al. strongly prevents them from intercepting any of my traffic for such uses - especially for a simple civil infringement! Actually to wiretap my connection like that (sniffing SSL certs, breaking encryption) without said court order and criminal juristiction (police etc) would cause a multitude of criminal acts (Computer Misuse Act, Wireless Telegraphy Act...).

They can't just say "Hey we think Mr X is downloading pr0n from Usenet" and decide to sniff, capture and decode your traffic like that. Not in the UK anyway lol
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Thanks for that, a good read coming from an SSL Giganews user.
 
what about porn? i use a couple of porn torrent sites through utorrent.

is it only if the copywrite company have signed up to this will i get a dig....?
 
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