Canada seal hunting

[Spend_day]

No it's monitored by government officials, which is proper monitoring. Does microsoft or apple let members of the press come and go filming what ever they like at will?

Ok then not monitored by anyone who hasn't a massive vested interest in it.

i dont see how its the same Microsoft don't allow press in so that there ideas dont get leaked to competitors, last time i checked seal hunting didn't involve anything like that.

 

[-Ad-]

how the hell do you run after and club a dolphin?

I chuckled a lot at this, and got some funny looks at work.

Maybe some flippers and a specially designed club for 'water use'.

I heard that this culling was needed, and fair play to the guys, they go out there and get on with it. No poisoning, machette wiedling, or shooting, just a good ol battering.

And to those saying how cute dogs are, and feeling bad about having to batter them. How bad do you feel for the parents of cute little HUMAN CHILDREN, who are ripped to shreds by so called 'cute' dogs. Totally unrelated point, but an animal is an animal, not a human, and doesn't have rights.

Get over it, or go and join greenpeace.

 

[scorza]

Totally unrelated point, but an animal is an animal, not a human, and doesn't have rights.

A human is an animal too. You are aware that studies have shown that people who practice cruelty to animals are more likely to go on to commit cruel acts against other humans?

 

[alex2zulu]

...it keeps them alive. there not mega ritch out of it. its a living, most lightly in there family for a long time. id be more concerned about the electric your burning right now and the resources being expended to keep it going. ones that cant be replaced. he kills a seal. we're killing everything.

dont judge, none of us have the right. so cast the first stone....

 

[Deluxe1]

What makes you think curry places and take always are run by Indians, or why they would cut their customer base?

I know this because i live near curry mile in Manchester, and almost every singe one of the places there has a sign saying halal.

Hell even the Chinese takeaway has a halal sign.

Ive been to quite a lot of Indian and Chinese take aways / restaurants in my time and not once have i seen a sign saying that the meat they serve is halal.

 

[Glaucus]

A human is an animal too. You are aware that studies have shown that people who practice cruelty to animals are more likely to go on to commit cruel acts against other humans?

what's that got to do with anything, I would also say it's false and those studies missed animal rights activists. Who wouldn't touch an animal. But have no problem killing or hurting some one. Or arson or using any number of psychological attacks.

 

[>:|sh4d0w|:<]

straight after on the ice the guy gets a knife out and starts skinning the seal while its tail is still moving.

Im not necessarily agreeing with this practice, but anyone who has seen a pig for exmaple, killed in an abbatoir will know its limbs twitch and moves for quite some time even after it is completely dead.

Ive been to quite a lot of Indian and Chinese take aways / restaurants in my time and not once have i seen a sign saying that the meat they serve is halal.

If you go to any predominantly Muslim area, especially in London, you find Halal Chinese, Italian etc restaurants. Just like in Golders Green youll find Kosher Chinese/Italian etc.

what's that got to do with anything, I would also say it's false and those studies missed animal rights activists. Who wouldn't touch an animal. But have no problem killing or hurting some one. Or arson or using any number of psychological attacks.

Some of the behavior of animal rights activists (a hardened minority I accept) is fairly appalling, the case of that elderly woman's remains being dug up because her son in law owned a farm breeding guinea pigs for research was particularly sickening. Now Im not agreeing with that line of business, but the response was hardly justified.

 

[Hedge]

Isnt the reason they are clubbed instead of shot just to ensure that the skin is still saleable?

 

[Glaucus]

Im not necessarily agreeing with this practice, but anyone who has seen a pig for exmaple, killed in an abbatoir will know its limbs twitch and moves for quite some time even after it is completely dead.

no need to let common sense get in the way of people who have no idea of what killing involves and just buys there meat at the super market. Whilst going oh we are so humane, look at those barbaric people who actually know what they are doing.

 

[Meridian]

Yess because stabbing it and waiting for it to bleed/suffocate to death is far more humane, and a large number of people discharge firearms in close vicinity to each other with risks of ricochets etc, is a very smart thing to do isnt it.

Did you actually read my comment, even though you reproduced it? This has nothing to do with safety or avoiding suffering: clubbing is used because it doesn't damage the skins. The only reason they don't use poison is they need to make sure a) they get only the young ones (because the fur is the softest, and therefore most valuable) and b) if they poisoned them there's a chance they might die somewhere where the fur couldn't be recovered.

Again: this is about money. Money. Money. Nothing else, money.


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[Glaucus]

Again: this is about money. Money. Money. Nothing else, money.


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And how's that any different to the meat you eat from the supermarket?

Also what's the point of poisoning them if you can't recover them.

 

[V-Spec]

Oh right, so it only matters if it's a mammal?
If like a seal, a dog was relied upon as a staple food and resource for clothing, shelter and fuel, yes I would be as nonchalant. Killing seals is very necessary. You cannot eat them or use their skin when they are alive..

The amount of pain caused to the animal in obtaining its fur, is wrong on the basis that the fur isn't needed, how much pain and suffering must be caused to an animal in order to obtain its fur and chuck the rest overboard?

How far do you go, most people would class beating an animal to death as "animal cruelty", if they were clubbing the seals for no reason whatsoever would it still be ok, or does the need for chinese fur coats fufil this need and hence justify the slaughter?

If the seals were killed for food and there was a genunie need, then i'd no issue whatsoever with it, but the fact is this is not the case.

Agreed.

When used properly, the hakapik has been proven to kill a seal instantly and has been deemed "humane". It's no different to shoving a bolt through a cow's head, shooting a rabbit with an air rifle, killing a fish with a priest or breaking a chicken's neck.

Sure, a hakapik is an effective killing weapon when used properly, but a lot of the time it doesn't deal a killing blow, lets just say these guys aren't exactly concerned with anything "humane" go and watch the videos.
Veterinary studies have also shown that many seals were still alive whilst they were being skinned.

 

[scorza]

no need to let common sense get in the way of people who have no idea of what killing involves and just buys there meat at the super market. Whilst going oh we are so humane, look at those barbaric people who actually know what they are doing.

So they know how to skin a seal pup alive. Whoopy do, I'm so happy for them - doesn't make it right though.

 

[V-Spec]

no need to let common sense get in the way of people who have no idea of what killing involves and just buys there meat at the super market. Whilst going oh we are so humane, look at those barbaric people who actually know what they are doing.

The seal hunt does not equate to meat in a supermarket, it equates to the fur trade which as i'm sure you'll agree, is far less important than food.

There is a big difference in killing for food and killing for fur.

 

[Glaucus]

So they know how to skin a seal pup alive. Whoopy do, I'm so happy for them - doesn't make it right though.

when you mean alive, you mean totally unconscious so they can't feel anything and pretty much dead. But again don't let common sense stand in the way.

The seal hunt does not equate to meat in a supermarket, it equates to the fur trade which as i'm sure you'll agree, is far less important than food.

No I don't agree, we waste many parts of the animal in the food industry. Meat is no more important than fur. How is meat any more important than fur?

There is a big difference in killing for food and killing for fur.

Why's that then? because you have been brain washed by animal rights groups?
Killings killings. There is no difference at all between meat and fur. Neither is needed both are luxuries.

 

[semi-pro waster]

And how's that any different to the meat you eat from the supermarket?

Well, cowhide isn't nearly so valuable as seal skin and a bolt through the skull is almost always fatal when compared to the slightly less reliable clubbing technique. Perhaps worth noting that I'm not massively in favour of either but one is almost certainly better than the other.

Also what's the point of poisoning them if you can't recover them.

If you are going to claim it as a cull for the purposes of diminishing a pest then whether you recover them or not is of lesser importance but that isn't the point of killing seals regardless of the line spun.

 

[Glaucus]

If you are going to claim it as a cull for the purposes of diminishing a pest then whether you recover them or not is of lesser importance but that isn't the point of killing seals regardless of the line spun.

I never said it was for a cull.

Well, cowhide isn't nearly so valuable as seal skin and a bolt through the skull is almost always fatal when compared to the slightly less reliable clubbing technique. Perhaps worth noting that I'm not massively in favour of either but one is almost certainly better than the other.
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and a club will almost certainly knock them out cold until they die.

 

[scorza]

when you mean alive, you mean totally unconscious so they can't feel anything and pretty much dead. But again don't let common sense stand in the way.

From: http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/dfiles/file_95.pdf

Cranial evaluation of 76 seal carcasses produced data that clearly demonstrates the occurrence of such suffering. In 17% of the cases observed there were no detectable lesions of the skull, leading us to conclude that any alteration in consciousness is very unlikely to have occurred as a result of clubbing.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I never said it was for a cull.

Apologies, I wasn't intending to say you had, some of the claims about Canadian seal hunting is that it is for a cull and it quite blatantly isn't in the vast majority of cases.

and a club will almost certainly knock them out cold until they die.

Perhaps but you are relying more on the skill of the practitioner and from the videos I've watched it seems variable at best.

 

[Glaucus]

and who requested and paid for it?