... but are you still proud?

[Kemik]

Go and live there then, in America the rich get everything, the poor get nothing, fine if you're rich but if you were living in one of America's crime/gang/gun crime filled slums where living standards are at a 3rd world level would you still be proclaiming how good it is?

The only thing is the current system doesn't promote people to want to work for a well paid job, it promotes them to remain where they are. That's not very good for the country's future.

E.g. Apparently (I haven't seen hard values), after tax minimum wage is less than the amount they'd receive on the dole.

Another example is EMA. They are promoting people who come from a "low paid" family to not get a job while at college. I was just outside the boundary so I didn't get EMA. To support myself I went and got a part time job. What's wrong with others doing that? It added to my CV and gave me an experience of work before going full time.

 

[G-MAN2004]

same thing

It's a region of the Netherlands, not the whole.

EDIT: Too slow.

Another example is EMA. They are promoting people who come from a "low paid" family to not get a job while at college.

Yeah, my friend receives it but has had a job long before then. Not really fair.

 

[yantorsen]

we are being pedantic

so is somebody going to compare us with them? I'm sure they have much less MRSA and C dif

 

[NathanE]

Somehow 4 Eurofighters still don't quite match up to when they did it with the Concorde

Maybe 6 would

 

[Superficial]

so is somebody going to compare us with them? I'm sure they have much less MRSA and C dif

well why dont you - you brought them up. go show us some statistics and tell us why we should think the netherlands is so great overall.

it may be that the healthcare system is superior but that is not the be all and end all. we are hardly dying in the streets.

 

[Tom0]

No I'm not, never have and never will be.

 

[funkeh]

So proud I moved to France.

 

[semi-pro waster]

So proud I moved to France.

You took Devon with you? Thank you so much, I've never liked those narrow lanes and general inability to see what I assume are beautiful views round that part of the World. Didn't it leave a bit of a hole in the countryside though?

 

[Spunj99]

I saw 2 of those red arrows fly over my house yesterday

One with its white smoke on, which is weird!

 

[SiHH]

We moan about immigration.. racial tension, politics, the military, religion and the way our taxes are being spent.

... but are you still proud to be british?

I saw this and it just reminded me that behind/above it all, I really am proud to be british

.. And for once let's leave out all the (I'm not british.. i'm scottish/welsh/irish)

No I am not proud, im ashamed of what our once great country has become.

Shoddy leadership has ruined this country which used to be envied throughout the world for having the best doctors, nurses, manufacturers and everything. Now its just a souless bit of land with not a lot of identity.

My parents share the same views and they probably have a better understanding of it than me as they were born in the 1950s.

I would move away from this country should my personal circumstances be different.

 

[Azza]

Im Welsh not British.

 

[yantorsen]

Im Welsh not British.

leave

 

[Superficial]

leave

seconded.

Please - the OP specifically said: ".. And for once let's leave out all the (I'm not british.. i'm scottish/welsh/irish)".

 

[The Dread Pirate]

leave

Thirded

*Goes Back to Singing Jerusalem*

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

But isn't that an English anthem?

 

[Liefrich]

I don't think its a question of pride, but seriously why do people always say "I'm not proud of the state of our country, but I am of our heritage." You do understand that 50 years ago more people would have been unemployed, more people would be been under the poverty line and the class difference in our country was even more exaggerated.

If your now born in a low income family who happens to reside in a poor part of the country, you now have more chance to get educated, get to a good university and get a good job. This rarely happened 20 years ago, let alone back in our "glorious" British past.

I personally believe our country is far from perfect, and I'm not a naive liberal, but please lets try get some original arguments for why our country is in a bad state, instead of the old inaccurate and really pointless line of "Back in the good ole' days we were..such and such."

 

[Mike UK]

Used to be but what "Great" Britain is turning into is a complete and utter joke

Shame Really.

 

[Visage]

I would move away from this country should my personal circumstances be different.

Perhaps we could have a whip-round for your fare. That way the rest of us could get on with trying to make the country a better place, while you rats can go elsewhere (and no doubt complain about whatever poor country you decide to infest).

 

[The Dread Pirate]

But isn't that an English anthem?

Quiet You!

*Continues Singing*

 

[Superficial]

I don't think its a question of pride, but seriously why do people always say "I'm not proud of the state of our country, but I am of our heritage." You do understand that 50 years ago more people would have been unemployed, more people would be been under the poverty line and the class difference in our country was even more exaggerated.

well, not to play devils advocate, but heritage and history are different things. IMO what you are ferring to to here is the bettering of certain aspects of our society through natural progress that all countries have gone through.

Heritage is specifically what made this country great.. Inventions etc of which we can all be proud.