Are pioneer kuros screens full 1080p?

True, but the best processing is none at all. Feed a 1080p 24 fps source into a 1080p 24fps screen and you have perfection. Feed a 1080p 24fps source into a 720p 30fps and you will have downscaling and 3:2 pull down, which is just a compromise IMO
The point you're making is irrelevant really. The point of the thread was that it's better to get a good quality 720p than a cheap 1080p. I'd rather have a 720p kuro over a 1080p hanspree lcd.

I really wonder why this whole thing is so hard to grasp :/
 
You're quite open about it....You believe that 1080p is the be-all-and-end-all of a HD Tv which it quite clearly isnt :/

No I am not. I am just saying that a 1080p set is better than a 720p all other things being equal.

Anyhow we will be having this debate again when 1440p and 2160p comes out!:D
 
So would I, but we are not talking about a "hanspree". The new 1080p panasonics, for instance, are stunning.

They are excellent screens and it's actually what I was looking to buy when I demoed a load of screens with the wife. However, for our viewing distance the 720p Kuro looked better and the wife pointed out that if we were spending a lot of money we may as well go the whole hog and get the one which looked the best with all sources - HD & SD - which in this case was the 720p Kuro.
 
They are indeed but I don't know if I'd pick a PZ80 over any Kuro, but it'd be a really close call.

At last I see the beginnings of a decenter!!! I checked out the kuro here in Germany before getting a PZ70. IMO the PZ70 looked just as good. The PZ80 is also real money. The PZ80 has apparently better 24fps support then the PZ70, but I dont know for certain. I would buy a TH46PZ80B. I think its 1200 quid. I have seen it in the flesh and its a stunning picture. 46" IMO is a good living room (wife) compromise as 50" looks like a door on your wall IMO. You cant beat the spec of the TH46PZ80B for the money. And of course its 1080p:D
 
At last I see the beginnings of a decenter!!! I checked out the kuro here in Germany before getting a PZ70. IMO the PZ70 looked just as good. The PZ80 is also real money. The PZ80 has apparently better 24fps support then the PZ70, but I dont know for certain. I would buy a TH46PZ80B. I think its 1200 quid. I have seen it in the flesh and its a stunning picture. 46" IMO is a good living room (wife) compromise as 50" looks like a door on your wall IMO. You cant beat the spec of the TH46PZ80B for the money. And of course its 1080p:D
Stop it, I'm thinking of getting one of the PZ80s, bad influence :D

Shame I can't compare it side by side with my parents' Kuro though :(
 
At last I see the beginnings of a decenter!!! I checked out the kuro here in Germany before getting a PZ70. IMO the PZ70 looked just as good. The PZ80 is also real money. The PZ80 has apparently better 24fps support then the PZ70, but I dont know for certain. I would buy a TH46PZ80B. I think its 1200 quid. I have seen it in the flesh and its a stunning picture. 46" IMO is a good living room (wife) compromise as 50" looks like a door on your wall IMO. You cant beat the spec of the TH46PZ80B for the money. And of course its 1080p:D

It we're talking 'bang for buck' you can't beat the PX80.....a truly stunning set which can be had for £669 now :)
 
Stop it, I'm thinking of getting one of the PZ80s, bad influence :D(

Close your eyes, imagine 46" inches of full hd glory. Imagine what your mates will say when they come round. Forget about 720p vs 1080p, no?? Because you know the first question your mates will say. That is: "Is it Full Hd or Hd Ready"? Then imagine opening up the drawer of your htpc blu ray drive (or PS3) and plonking in "Transformers". You hit play, stand back, look your mates directly in the eyes and say "Full Hd............OF COURSE". You point out the benefit of 1 to 1 pixel mapping. "No downscaling going on here". You also point out the perfect 24fps playback. "No 3:2 pulldown here". But none of that matters. as there faces are frozen, for they are bewitched by the picture, as if a holy light has fallen down on them........................................

Or you good get a 720p
 
Nothing is perfect, of-course and it is always a compromise between price and performance. Which is why I bought the panasonic 1080p 42" PV70 (less than 1K) To my eyes the picture quality is nothing more than stunning. I dont watch standard def on it, its not even connected to the TV socket (I live in Germany and TV is cr*p here). It is used mainly for hi def playback, blu and hd dvd. I waited for the last two years before a suitable full hd plasma came out for less than 1K. That was my criteria. I wouldnt touch a 720p set with a barge pole. Buts that my opinion.

Your TV is a good reason to not buy into the 'beta' 1080p screens around at the moment. Yours does not do 24p properly and already the 80 series has surpassed it with proper 24p and better contrast ratio !

Most people watch far more SD content than Full HD and 720p sets will handle this better while also performing very well with downscaled 1080p. My horribly old 720p screen is getting on for 4 years old now but there isnt a 1080p screen i would buy currently - possibly the PZ85. Nothing does 720p as well and very few have the setup options and yet i can do 24p properly on mine.
 
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/waits for -Ad- to turn up.

*Shifts into the thread inconspicuously >_< *

Lionofjud, Asprilla summed it up. the 4280 and 428 are not FULL 1080p ready, but then again the entry level 50inch 1080p pioneer will cost you more than double the 4280 an double the 508. Is 1080p worth thousands of pounds ? Il let you work that out :D

I saw a sharp model yesterday and the quality did seem really crisp. It was set next to a pioneer, however the pioneer was only set to transmit pioneer's own demo blu ray and the shop asst. refused to change the input.

however I am erring now more towards the pioneer sets so which tv?

Pioneer PDP428XD or Pioneer PDP4280XD?
i have narrowed it down to these 2 sets and apart from the 428XD offering picture in picture (which is not really a must) the main diff seems to be price. However the 428XD also has Intelligent Brightness control - what is the benefit of this? it it much different if this was not available (hence what picture quality difference is there between the 2 sets?)

A shop that doesn't let you change the input or let you compare with your own footage is very stupid, and I would advise trying a different store 'department store containing waitrose' for example is the one to try.

The 428 will produce the same picture as the 4280 but it has the ability to be calibrated by a professional [ISF calibration], which can make a big differnce, but will cost you around 300 notes.

I think you will be astounded by the picture quality of the 4280, I still am with mine.

Close your eyes, imagine 46" inches of full hd glory. Imagine what your mates will say when they come round. Forget about 720p vs 1080p, no?? Because you know the first question your mates will say. That is: "Is it Full Hd or Hd Ready"? Then imagine opening up the drawer of your htpc blu ray drive (or PS3) and plonking in "Transformers". You hit play, stand back, look your mates directly in the eyes and say "Full Hd............OF COURSE". You point out the benefit of 1 to 1 pixel mapping. "No downscaling going on here". You also point out the perfect 24fps playback. "No 3:2 pulldown here". But none of that matters. as there faces are frozen, for they are bewitched by the picture, as if a holy light has fallen down on them........................................

Or you good get a 720p


Erm my mates would tell me to shut the **** up and watch the film, and would be marvelling at the PQ anyway ;)

lionofjub, please don't worry about 1080p, as when I compared loads of tvs over a 3 month period [and even took my PS3 into shops], the pio 4280 was still by the best tv at any distance.... YES 1080P FANBOIS, EVEN AT ABOUT 3-4 FEET. I game at about 6ft and the Pio produces a picture that makes the bravia, samsung 1080p tvs, and even the 1080p panasonic PZ70 RUN FOR THE HILLS. And before people talk about opinion [which is of course what everyone has on here] these tests were done with my PS3 in store with the tvs calibrated to produce a more realistic picture compared to the crap settings the stores have them at.

I would say only go for an LCD if you plan to use your PC a lot with the tv, or solely game on the set, sitting 4ft infront of it from dusk till dawn. But if you watch a fair amount of dvds, blu-rays, and most importantly the television, then go for the Kuro is all I can say.

Im not going to argue facts and figures and 1080p, and 3:2 pull down, and screenburn, the kuros are the best tvs out there. I spent an extra 500 notes on the kuro, which was 500 over my budget, just because after comparing it to the panasonic PZ 42 I had ordered in, it looked far better, and buying the inferior set would always annoy from that day forth.

O and finally about the 24fps, 3:2 pulldown etc, the kuro displays blu-rays smoother than ALL the other sets I saw. Just for reference I spent 2 months comparing many sets, and spent hours comparing the sets in every way with upscaled dvds, blu-rays, and freeview footage from all conceivable angles and distances.

You won't be disappointed :)
 
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Other post is a bit long, and this is an important point:

People go on about image retention and how all plasmas show it, and they are still prone to screenburn in extreme circumstances.

I have read over at avforums that the panasonic tvs still suffer retention issues, but sorry to big up the Kuro again, but I haven't seen any retention on my screen, neither blacks bars still visible after films, and especially after gaming. And sometimes I have had 5-6hours GTA4 and burnout paradise sessions. I even checked after a burnout session a few ft from the screen and........ Nothing.
 
Close your eyes, imagine 46" inches of full hd glory. Imagine what your mates will say when they come round. Forget about 720p vs 1080p, no?? Because you know the first question your mates will say. That is: "Is it Full Hd or Hd Ready"? Then imagine opening up the drawer of your htpc blu ray drive (or PS3) and plonking in "Transformers". You hit play, stand back, look your mates directly in the eyes and say "Full Hd............OF COURSE". You point out the benefit of 1 to 1 pixel mapping. "No downscaling going on here". You also point out the perfect 24fps playback. "No 3:2 pulldown here". But none of that matters. as there faces are frozen, for they are bewitched by the picture, as if a holy light has fallen down on them........................................

Or you good get a 720p

This post is hilariously lame.

I'd rather a 720p Kuro over any LCD, my sister has one and it's bloody stunning.
 
Your TV is a good reason to not buy into the 'beta' 1080p screens around at the moment. Yours does not do 24p properly and already the 80 series has surpassed it with proper 24p and better contrast ratio !
Not true, another internet myth. How do you know for instance? You read that endless chain post on the avforums? Or have you seen it with your own eyes. Have you watched hi def on it or have you just read on a forum that is doesn't do 24fps correctly. FYI, the pz70EA, has a upgraded firmware that does 24fps correctly. And to my eyes 24fps is spot on, on the pz70EA. In fact even during the slowest of pans or credits etc it is perfect!
 
Other post is a bit long, and this is an important point:

People go on about image retention and how all plasmas show it, and they are still prone to screenburn in extreme circumstances.

I have read over at avforums that the panasonic tvs still suffer retention issues, but sorry to big up the Kuro again, but I haven't seen any retention on my screen, neither blacks bars still visible after films, and especially after gaming. And sometimes I have had 5-6hours GTA4 and burnout paradise sessions. I even checked after a burnout session a few ft from the screen and........ Nothing.

I have GTA4 as well, and also after hours of gaming I dont see any image retention on a panasonic pv70.
 
This post is hilariously lame.

I'd rather a 720p Kuro over any LCD, my sister has one and it's bloody stunning.

How lame are you m8. I would rather have a Kuro over any LCD. But I was talking about the new 46" PLASMA from Panasonic. Not an LCD. And it was a joke BTW.
 
*Shifts into the thread inconspicuously >_< *

Lionofjud, Asprilla summed it up. the 4280 and 428 are not FULL 1080p ready, but then again the entry level 50inch 1080p pioneer will cost you more than double the 4280 an double the 508. Is 1080p worth thousands of pounds ? Il let you work that out :D

well you could say that about the 42in kuros,are they worth the extra £500 over the px80 i dont think so the picture is just ahead on the kuro but not £500 quid worth
 
well you could say that about the 42in kuros,are they worth the extra £500 over the px80 i dont think so the picture is just ahead on the kuro but not £500 quid worth

Agree with you partially on the SD part, as I have only seen the PX80 with that. he PX was very very good, but I was still more than happy to have the kuro. that brings us onto the point of how much people are prepared to spend to get what they want.

It all varies and there is no definitive answer.
 
well you could say that about the 42in kuros,are they worth the extra £500 over the px80 i dont think so the picture is just ahead on the kuro but not £500 quid worth

I 100% agree! And you are comparing the Kura with th px80 720p. Infact a 720p 42" Kuro is the same price approx as a 46" panny 1080p pz80. And IMO thats a no brainer.

BTW the next Kuro line is FULL HD. They have abandoned 720p! I wonder why???

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/second-generation-pioneer-kuro-unveiled-5x-deeper-black-levels/
 
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