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Tefal said:
not read the research which found that in brain scans gay men had brain shapes similar to straight women and gay women had brain shapes similar to to straight men then?

Or the old pheromone research.

If it is not a choice then it is some physical and chemical difference and due to it's detrimental nature (from a survival etc point of view) it would probbably be classed as an illness.

getting offended over arguably accurate medical terms however does seem to fit in well with this new generation.
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Whether it's nature or nurture that makes some people gay is besides the point, it's nothing like an illness! I doubt you can catch gay from someone...

Also the preference for same sex relations has nothing to with the desire to procreate, just because two men/women prefer to sleep together doesn't mean they don't desire to have children.
 
Tefal said:
damage to what?
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Earth in general.

We certainly aren't keeping in tune with finely adjusted balance that got it this far.

and by survival I mean in basic darwinistic terms, just like every other species will will reach a point where we are limited by something, at which point the population will decrease until we reach a new equilibrium then rise and then fall again and on and on.

We're just better (at least in the industrialized cultures) at raising the limiting factors.
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I know that, but again, we don't really adhere to the basic laws of survival. It's not just a case of the strong surviving with humans. The clever or rich in most cases survive longer.

Homosexuality happens, observed in a number of species, and gets more and more prolific, ergo, it is becoming more natural, in that the sheer need to reproduce isn't the driving factor in many people's lives.

Think of all the people actively choosing not to raise children. Are they ill?
 
Tefal said:
not read the research which found that in brain scans gay men had brain shapes similar to straight women and gay women had brain shapes similar to to straight men then?
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Not read but I do remember watching a very good TV documentary on it a while back but I don't remember them classing it as an illness, if they did then I apologise but I still personally would disagree.

getting offended over arguably accurate medical terms however does seem to fit in well with this new generation.
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I am genuinely interested in this point, could link me to any information that proves factually that 'gay' is an illness please.
 
yak.h'cir said:
Whether it's nature or nurture that makes some people gay is besides the point, it's nothing like an illness! I doubt you can catch gay from someone...

Also the preference for same sex relations has nothing to with the desire to procreate, just because two men/women prefer to sleep together doesn't mean they don't desire to have children.
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Not all illnesses are contagious, eg headaches, heartburn and of course gayitis
 
yak.h'cir said:
Whether it's nature or nurture that makes some people gay is besides the point, it's nothing like an illness! I doubt you can catch gay from someone...
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Illness does not mean you can catch it...

Do you think you can catch autism, cancer, or any number of genetic conditions?


krooton said:
Earth in general.

We certainly aren't keeping in tune with finely adjusted balance that got it this far.
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What balance? The earth constantly changes, species come and go many destroy their environment and die we are no different except that some of us (again mainly industrialised nations) are capable of changing our environment at will.



I know that, but again, we don't really adhere to the basic laws of survival. It's not just a case of the strong surviving with humans. The clever or rich in most cases survive longer.
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You fail at understanding survival of the fittest, it doesn't nessecrerally mean the "strongest" it means the most successful ie those that can breed the most and nothing to do with life span.

Homosexuality happens, observed in a number of species, and gets more and more prolific, ergo, it is becoming more natural,
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Further proof that it is not a concius choice but is a medical conditions, animals are not capable of such a choice.



in that the sheer need to reproduce isn't the driving factor in many people's lives.
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But the fact that it is shown in non sentient species shows that that statement is a non fact.


Think of all the people actively choosing not to raise children. Are they ill?
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No they are just not the "fittest", although it would probbably be possible to find out their reasons for not procreating and then from that establish what chemical or physiological difference they had and whether it is nature or nurture, as as such see whether it warrants the definition.
 
lowrider007 said:
Not read but I do remember watching a very good TV documentary on it a while back but I don't remember them classing it as an illness, if they did then I apologise but I still personally would disagree.


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Illness is a weird word as it has negative associations it is however not normal behavior and has been possibly found to have physiological links and so can be called any number of things.


I am genuinely interested in this point, could link me to any information that proves factually that 'gay' is an illness please
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No where uses the word and no where is anything like close to finding out the reasons, (our current understanding of physiology and brain chemistry is too undeveloped.)and sorry i don't have any links.
 
uggh it' this crap which is why I try not to hold a scientific debate on here, as people get arsey over specific words and ignore the argument. Ironically they are the ones who are treating gays differently, as they all jump on the "theres somthing wrong with them" bandwagon when ever anyone commits an act outside of normal behavior.

The body mod thread is a good example of this.
 
Stupid that it has been pulled. I cant see why it has been. I suppose though these days, there is always someone to complain about the smallest thing.
 
Define illness: impairment of normal physiological function affecting part or all of an organism

Whether you like it or not homosexuality would fall under that definition. I agree with Tefal.
 
Tefal said:
No where uses the word and no where is anything like close to finding out the reasons, (our current understanding of physiology and brain chemistry is too undeveloped.)and sorry i don't have any links.
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If you can't even find a link from the whole of the internet that backs up anything that you say then STFU basically because your talking from your rear, nothing is out there that even partially recognises gay as being an illness, it's a stupid notion.
 
I'm jumping on the band wagon to complain about the complain. Think it's pretty clever and simple. My colleague, blonde is she is, was confused about the point of the advert and I had to explain to her ;P
 
weringo said:
Define illness: impairment of normal physiological function affecting part or all of an organism

Whether you like it or not homosexuality would fall under that definition. I agree with Tefal.
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From a technical view I agree, but illness does have a negative connotation in society. Something broken, that needs to be cured, usually used in that context by people that just don't approve of the idea.

Whereas certain illnesses (in the strict sense of the term) don't actually hamper the day to day lives of modern human beings.

I have poor eyesight, I wear glasses, and only idiots will rip into me (ooer) for it.

Being gay actually impacts the life of an individual person less than having poor eyesight. Hell, a fit gay man (ooer again) would survive much longer that I would 2000 years ago.

But it's the way that people that don't agree with it use the illness slant to make derogatory remarks about people that irks me. Hiding behind science to cover up the fact that they are just ignorant bigots.

Live and let live mofos!
 
From a technical view I agree, but illness does have a negative connotation in society. Something broken, that needs to be cured, usually used in that context by people that just don't approve of the idea.
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But it's the way that people that don't agree with it use the illness slant to make derogatory remarks about people that irks me. Hiding behind science to cover up the fact that they are just ignorant bigots.
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So far you are the only one who has taken the word illness as an insult, rest of us are just using it as a technical term.

As i said this century seems defined with people opinions and feelings taking precedent over fact and terminology.
 
Tefal said:
So far you are the only one who has taken the word illness as an insult, rest of us are just using it as a technical term.

As i said this century seems defined with people opinions and feelings taking precedent over fact and terminology.
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A little tact goes a long way?

I wouldn't appreciate people constantly taking digs at my poor eyesight, and a diabetic wouldn't like people harshing on them for that, could we not afford gay people the same level of respect?

They are, after all, ill :p
 
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