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Eve is without doubt the quickest MMO for getting a new player into combat, in what a day? You can be useful, sure you're a suicide tackler, but someone needs to do it.
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I've been playing for a month and developing my skills broadly. I play on the cautious side but built up the confidence to enjoy ratting around the asteroid belts in 0.5/0.4 space.
The best fun is happening now, with players stealing loot or attacking hulk industrial ships. Often I'm finding this on my 'patrols' and I jump in to assist the defenders. The thrill of pitting wits against an opponent with the risk of either of us losing our ship is great, although most of them warp out of the area before they lose.
It is encounters like this that make the game more addictive and feels that you are part of the same universe instead of being another player object.
The best fun is happening now, with players stealing loot or attacking hulk industrial ships. Often I'm finding this on my 'patrols' and I jump in to assist the defenders. The thrill of pitting wits against an opponent with the risk of either of us losing our ship is great, although most of them warp out of the area before they lose.
It is encounters like this that make the game more addictive and feels that you are part of the same universe instead of being another player object.
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Archangelus said:
No, no and thrice no! You're tanking both shield and armour which is an absolute no-no. The only thing that would be worse is if you fitted a hull repairer as well. Use your mid slots for other more useful things and concentrate on an armour tank.
You're mixing cruiser and frigate size guns, also a bad thing.
for a short time it was the highest price a char went for if im not mistaken. i did get a fair value imo.
me and a pal, who both quit about the same time for the same reasons would often hold 0.0 npc stations for weeks. we would find one with residents, perhaps a corp or two.
i would be on my main in a rail-thron or in a beam geddon. i would use my alt who would be in a bait tackler. usually a plated maller so it could take a beating while tacking. anything smaller and BS ran, anything bigger and BS ran.
my pal would usually be in a art tempest on his main and a cov ops with his alt.
often we would go in with these 4 char, dual account, and stay for 2-3 weeks taking out BS/HACS/cepters/the works and leave with a a bil+ in t2 loot. back then t2 long range guns where mega expensive. some 15m per one so a decent BS kill would land 100m.
it was fun, not many could do what we two could do. but like i said, it gets boring when you have to stalk for 2h per fight.
was this directed at me?
i left before invention, i dont care for that part of the game. imo you play mmo for the pvp battles.
as for decent pvp, i would bet not even 0.1% of eve had pvp like i did.
the problem isnt pvp, pvp is quite good in eve. it is the 2h inbetween, looking, chasing, stalking that is a waste of time and not fun.
SP make a MASSIVE difference in solo or small gang (which is what i often did, was in a small corp and gangs would tend to max out at 10, we would join others or help others and be in gangs of 100 sometimes but i never really liked that much), large gang not so much. you can also be usefull with ECM with tiny tiny tiny skillpoints (back when i played, now they are nerfed i hear).
the problem is, why should someone who started playing 2yrs before you be soooo much better, which they are! and imho before 15m skillpoints you are limited in pvp (probably more now since new vital skills must have apeared)
i had 3 char, 2 v.high sp, one mid SP. i would always use the mid SP char when i wanted to pvp in small/mid ships or with T1 gear. not only does it cost less if you die, but you have an instant jump back home if your in deep 0.0 and CBA to jump back 80 gates. all for the cost of 300k or what ever. the same with my two mains cost some 15m. why should one have that luxuary and not the other.
why punish high sp char in those dumb ways?
BTW i wrote a thread complaining about clone costs for high sp players, next patch the price went down! they didnt say it was becuase of that thread but im sure it infuenced them!
i had over 15B in my wallet most of the time. when i left and sold my mains i had over 40B. a LOT of money for when i left, i dont know what 40B is now.
the point being, a high SP player was disadvanted for no real reason. and "he has lots of SP and can afford to pay more to die" is a stupid reason!
burn eden wore stabs? no my friend, everybody + dog + dogs fleas wore stabs!
i was mostly solo/very small group pvp. mostly would be me with 2 others and we would all be dual/tri loged on.
there was pvp no doubt. but 2h inbetween decent kills was not uncommon.
i dont play the game anymore
he was fitted to do a plex and had faction overdrives, faction mid sized gistii booster, cargo with faction a-type gistii gear.
another good kill with my rax (plenty of uber kills with it) was me stalking 2 guys in HACS, vaga and the other mini hac. they where stalking me and i tried to get the t2 rupture. i warped to a moon knowing they would be warping to them one by one to find me. lucky the t2 rupture warped in first (if the vaga had come in i would have warped to another moon until it was the t2 rupture). he got in close, webed me, ect, i did the same and pooned that fool. was this -10 sec pirate embarrised.
sadly in that fight i went to loot his can (should have locked it and moved in direction of can and warpable object, then i could have warped or destroyed it fast.) instead i was casual and the vaga took me out, i was in low armor already and didnt carry reps.
without a doubt i was one of the most uber pvpers in game!
18 months ago is probably more accurate, 15B was a lot of isk for a char.
if you want to know the exact date i left look for "gronsak" ingame and look at the date he left "pilots of honour". that is when i left and sold the char. (well i think there where some corps i joined after that but they where 1 man corps i made ect)
they say it is competitive as they know no better
higher SP players say the same thing as they want to have noobs out there do the dirty work.
YES you can be affective in large gangs if you have low SP, especilly if you train over powered mods. im my time it didnt matter if you had 2m skillpoints, just stick mids with ECM and off you go, a BIG help for the gang as this noob could jam a vet.
BUT if you are solo, or if you are small gang (sub 5) then OMG how SP make a difference!!
principle old chap, kinda ****** me off when a low SP player could go in a frig , get poped or destruct and then kill himself and save the 1-2h trip back to high sec.
i wasnt around when invention hit, but in my time having a T2 BPO was distoring pvp a lot!
i was in 0.0 often, usually hit NPC stations as hitting player stations was too dificult in the v.small gangs i used.
normally we would have 2/3 BS, a heavy plated tackler, a cov ops, all with a cloke to be able to camp for days ect
Er, do you really think they shouldn't be? 2 years is a very long time in a game, if there wasn't a big skill disparity then where would the payoff be? It gives the less experienced something to aspire to and it rewards the loyal. Like I say, I think eve's skill model is one of its finest points, with the time-based skilling removes the need to grind SP.
Also, a 2-year player isn't neccesarily so much better than a 6-month player, it all depends on skill direction. You could build a cruiser-pilot PVP character stronger than mine in about a year, I reckon, by focusing skills, whereas I've avoided specialisation- and that's more common in eve than in most games I reckon, though a lot of people satisfy that itch with alts of course (which personally, I don't like, but that's just me)
back when i was playing i thought a char should be born with 10mil SP, that would give them the basics and mean they don't need to "grind" those vital skills. doing the learning skills alone took a month FFS. wooot the fun....
as for skillpoints, it makes a HUGEEE difference.
if you disagree then you either do not have the experience of playing with a high spec char or you are a vested interest or you are stupid.
unless you plan on only doing large gangs of 20+ then your individual skills are important!
And for all of you fakes who say “skill points mean nothing” why are you against an eve char being born with say 20m skillpoints? Afterall “skillpoints mean nothing”
yeh right!
i agree the time based method is better than the grind method but in eve imho you need 10m SP before you can really do anything. doesnt it take a month to just train the basic learning skills? what is the point?
i said back when i quit, eve should spawn new characters with 10m SP, then they can get right into the action and witin a year be quite good and probably be some 25m SP by then.
now with new skills it should probably be 15m SP
but by far, the BIGGEST problem in eve was lack of PVP. the reason for this imho was mainly becuase losing a t2 fitted ship could set you back 10h.
ie if you lost a T2 kitted BS you took a 150m hit, and would have to GRIND for 10h before you could get it back. 1m of pvp for 10h grind??
i was lucky in that i had plenty of isk when i played , but the people i killed where less lucky and could only earn the average jo wage of eve which was 5-15m an hour.
Yeah, check out all the places I said it doesn't make a difference
If you can't be bothered to read my posts, and you've got nothing to give back but misdirected condescension, why bother?I do agree on the learning skills, I think they're basically a mistake. They're so inevitable, all they do is introduce a dead time in skilling up.
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Some people love eve too much...
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=829872
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=829872
Define "normal"!
If the guy likes it and wants it done then what's the problem? After all, it's his arm and ultimately his decision.
It's not even a very nice tattoo, reasonably executed at least but poorly placed. Obviously veldspar has more resonance for him than it does for most eve players, going by the chat, but it's still a very odd thing to identify with so much that you want it in your skin.
But I think you've taken my comment a bit wrong, I said it's not normal, I didn't say it's bad. And the guy seems completely comfortable with not being normal.
But I think you've taken my comment a bit wrong, I said it's not normal, I didn't say it's bad. And the guy seems completely comfortable with not being normal.
Define "normal"!
If the guy likes it and wants it done then what's the problem? After all, it's his arm and ultimately his decision.
And my decision to to label that guy an idiot
Incoming nano nerf, no sure what to think, less speed tanking means more shield/armour tanking whih means my logistics will become a lot more useful now.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=574
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=574
oooooooo intresting, reading now.
Edit* All sounds good, i like the idea about warp scramblers disabling the MWD. But This is deffinitly a step in the right direction for CCP.
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