Just got caught doing '60' in a 30

but speeding on the motorway or A roads is perhaps a "little less" dangerous than speeding around 30 zones.
That's not strictly true. It's only safe to speed, when it's safe to speed. You have to make your mind up and be 100% sure of your ability to judge that condition.

This is why, as painful as it sounds, speed limits make sense. It takes the decision away from people and is generally safer for everyone (aside from those who somehow manage to hit 30.00000mph and wobble over the lines which I find quite incredible - but that's another discussion).
 
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Remember kids, all 30 zones are near parks, playgrounds and have houses on them. There are no stupid pointless 30 limits in the middle of nowhere, there are no long straight 30 limits which suddenly narrow into twisting NSL roads and there are certainly no wide, long roads through industrial estates at 2am.

Indeed, what is the point of those lethal NSL twisty country lanes with hedge lined blind turns, but on the other hand having 30/40mph limits on wide roads with no houses/shops or anything else alongside them? :(

Must admit I'm a bit calmer since my speed trap scare down the M6. I seem to have gotten away with that one.
 
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By acceptable I mean not particularly dangerous. And bear in mind I mean on a motorcycle, which can hit 100 pretty sharpish.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think people should be starting street races outside schools at 3.30pm, but there's roads all over the country that are for some inexplicable reason a 30 limit, and in the dead of night during the week, there's no one there. No one, at all.

So there's nothing except you, over a mile of straight empty road, and your speedometer staring you down.

Anyone would pin it down that road.

There are loads of 30's around here which are exactly like this which, tbh, i would happily drive at 70-80 through. We are talking massive long straight a-roads with tiny 30's along them which last around half a mile because of one house by the side of the road or something.
 
Crazy, motorist thinking they are above the law and they know right, laws are there for a reason so everyone can follow them same as speed limits, when does it come to a head that because cars or bikes can reach faster speeds in a short space of time or that they are 1000 times safer than when speed limits where enforced.

Just because you can put your foot down a long straight road doesn't mean you should and with a mentality like that I bet some of you start to think like that in built up areas and in town. Clouded judgment over sensible driving.

There are loads of 30's around here which are exactly like this which, tbh, i would happily drive at 70-80 through. We are talking massive long straight a-roads with tiny 30's along them which last around half a mile because of one house by the side of the road or something.

But speeding to just cut 30 seconds off your traveling time, you think whats its like to live at that house and have people driving and 80 mph both ways and trying to pull out.
 
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yes we have

Edit: in fact, I'm going to hang my balls out in the breeze and say it

I've touched the ton in a 30 limit, more than once

I ****ing dare you to judge me without knowing the circumstances, the road, the machine I was on, the time of night, and so on and so forth.

I think you need to take a reality check. Go on then, lets hear the circumstances since you think they matter.
 
Indeed, what is the point of those lethal NSL twisty country lanes with hedge lined blind turns
60mph isn't a goal, it's a limit. If you feel safe at 40 then that's the right speed for the road at that time.

but thankfully i wasn't caught
Other's won't see it that way.

There are loads of 30's around here which are exactly like this which, tbh, i would happily drive at 70-80 through. We are talking massive long straight a-roads with tiny 30's along them which last around half a mile because of one house by the side of the road or something.
So he should have to pull out of his house with 80mph traffic? Not sensible is it?

I know people go on at me about subjects like these, like I'm on a moral crusade but I really do despair at the lack of common sense some people have, and we're meant to believe you're all capable of judging when it's safe to do 80 in a 30? I love speed, acceleration and power. I'm a massive motorsport fan. I love overtaking old ladies in my Aero (which is a monstrous overtaking machine) but c'mon people, show some savvy.
 
Crazy, motorist thinking they are above the law and they know right, laws are there for a reason so everyone can follow them same as speed limits, when does it come to a head that because cars or bikes can reach faster speeds in a short space of time or that they are 1000 times safer than when speed limits where enforced.

Just because you can put your foot down a long straight road doesn't mean you should and with a mentality like that I bet some of you start to think like that in built up areas and in town. Clouded judgment over sensible driving.


But speeding to just cut 30 seconds off your traveling time, you think whats its like to live at that house and have people driving and 80 mph both ways and trying to pull out.


Oh dear.

That means you have respect for the inept governments and their infinite number of thinktanks.

If a law/regulation is stupid, its stupid, and it's even more likely to be if it's been dreamt up by our goverment.
 
Oh dear.

That means you have respect for the inept governments and their infinite number of thinktanks.

If a law/regulation is stupid, its stupid, and it's even more likely to be if it's been dreamt up by our goverment.
Guess what Frazzles, the system allows you to question it. Talk to your local councillor, MP or council office and state your opinion. With enough demand, a review will be awarded. It's too easy to blame the Government for everything when people do little or nothing about it themselves.
 
Guess what Frazzles, the system allows you to question it. Talk to your local councillor, MP or council office and state your opinion. With enough demand, a review will be awarded. It's too easy to blame the Government for everything when people do little or nothing about it themselves.


Whoa relax. The goverment PASS the law, we have NO say in that whatsoever. I think you confusing us with a democracy.
 
Whoa relax. The goverment PASS the law, we have NO say in that whatsoever. I think you confusing us with a democracy.
Democracy is not about everyone getting what they want; there will always be some losers. It is about what the majority want. If enough people lobbied about over-use of 30 Mph zones, then it will becoming a policy topic for the election. Sides will be taken, and you can vote accordingly.

The problem is, no one lobbies - they'd all rather whine on the Internet about it.
 
wonder how many of the folks saying its fine to do 60 in a 30 would stand up in front of a judge and say the same thing ......

not saying I disagree with the fact that a lot of roads have silly speed limits set on them
 
It doesn't matter what the road is, or what time of night it is. This mentality is what causes accidents; "Its always a clear road" or "No one will be out at this time at night".

Anyway, "****ing dare" accepted, and I have judged you to be an idiot :rolleyes:

Mohinder, pwned
 
I would just like to add at this point I once raced a Nissan Skyline up the A127, mid afternoon on a summery Sunday, and I rolled off at an indicated 137mph

My then girlfriend was riding pillion.

I know you don't want to admit it, but that actually does make me cooler than you.

in the eyes of 5 year olds maybe
 
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I would just like to add at this point I once raced a Nissan Skyline up the A127, mid afternoon on a summery Sunday, and I rolled off at an indicated 137mph

My then girlfriend was riding pillion.

I know you don't want to admit it, but that actually does make me cooler than you.

I take it your trying to be funny there? Or could it be....your not seriously suggesting that makes you cool?
 
I would just like to add at this point I once raced a Nissan Skyline up the A127, mid afternoon on a summery Sunday, and I rolled off at an indicated 137mph

My then girlfriend was riding pillion.

I know you don't want to admit it, but that actually does make me cooler than you.

137 ey ? Surely if you're going to try and be 'cool' then on anything actually speed orientated you should have had another two to three gears left if you were actually trying ?

Sadly this doesn't make you cooler in any way, in fact quite the opposite. Like you I ride, in fact i've spent a lot of time learning to improve the standard of my riding and right up until you posted the above I had in general agreed with the point you were trying to get across but you just lost all credibility with that post, and before you try and back out with 'it was a joke' it's not funny.

You see when you carry a pillion they have no say in how you ride, in a lot of cases they won't be a rider (few riders i've ever met have any wish to ride pillion). A blow out, a bird hitting you, some small furry animal running out on the road, someone pulling out, the skyline driver or yourself loosing it, the pillion shifting her weight, or in fact hundreds of other possible things could have easily ended it for both of you. So why the hell should the pillion suffer for your stupidity ? I've known significantly more talented riders than you or me who've got a proven record on the track to the extent they were going to be racing nationally who got it wrong and paid the ultimate price on a track so to read you think it's cool to do 137 with a pillion who has no say in the matter on the back shows the lack of respect you had for her let alone yourself or other road users.

Going back to the direction this thread was taking speed doesn't kill, time and time again the government has been asked to back this up with evidence and even the department credited with making this assertion denies it was anything to do with them.

What I think most people would agree is the inappropriate use of speed increases the risk of an accident, the problem is my perception of an appropriate speed for the circumstances and someone else's will most likely differ, that's why we have speed limits, so we all use them as the benchmark. I won't say I stick to them but on a road i'm not familiar with if it's marked as 30 i'll normally do the limit or less depending on the conditions.

We all like to say we can judge safely what is and isn't appropriate but everyone who's had an accident be it falling off a push bike when you were five and skinning your knee or misjudging a bend etc. will understand that they thought at the time they had made the right judgement up until the point it all went wrong.

Oh and i'm not naive enough to misjudge one thing, i'm a hypocrite, I break the speed limit on occasions, I just hope my stupidity doesn't lead to someone else having to suffer as a result.
 
I would just like to add at this point I once raced a Nissan Skyline up the A127, mid afternoon on a summery Sunday, and I rolled off at an indicated 137mph

My then girlfriend was riding pillion.

I know you don't want to admit it, but that actually does make me cooler than you.

Im with this guy.

Lifes too short to be a politically correct loser.

You've just gotta do what you've gotta do.

People will always get off to high speed and a bit of risk.

I like to overtake people to the extent that the speed difference is such that they flash their lights in disgust.

Anyone seen Stu-pid Riding?! Man, have a few beers, sit back and watch. Great vid.

Lets be real here, the highway code still has 1960's stopping distances. Way to go.
 
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