What is it with the south?

PardonTheWait · 12 Oct 2008 at 00:11

Griffo said:
Trust them to remember how to drive when I want to exploit the opposite

It's irritating definitely, but I figure at least they're *trying* to drive a little bit right!

It's annoying when you wait behind someone, wait, wait, wait, indicate left, start to move to left and OH OH OH NOW YOU MOVE OVER

Morba · 12 Oct 2008 at 00:14

BigglesPiP said:
What I'm on about is people who do it when the motorway is congested, but doing more than 70mph.

No excuse to undertake people who are doing 80mph at all IMO.

regardless of the speed, you shouldnt be holding people up if there is a clear lane for you to pull into to allow the car / bike behind to overtake.

PardonTheWait · 12 Oct 2008 at 00:17

Morba said:
regardless of the speed, you shouldnt be holding people up if there is a clear lane for you to pull into to allow the car / bike behind to overtake.

This is what it comes down to.

I said the same thing to a guy at work who moaned at me for passing him on the inside on the way to work, he said 'but I was doing 80!'.. there was no one to his left!

People need to get the concept of a 'fast lane' out of their minds :/

Morba · 12 Oct 2008 at 01:24

m25 is terrible for it, especially at 4 or 5 lane sections. people are just muppets when it comes to lane discipline

Tom|Nbk · 12 Oct 2008 at 02:51

BigglesPiP said:
Is undertaking allowed down here if you can't be bothered waiting to overtake the slower traffic like everyone else?

If the driver is seriously dawdling in the outside I tend to give the full beam treatment before going for a full blown undertake. This then lets the driver know that I am infact behind them and there are actually other drivers occupying the road.

Sometimes I'll just go ahead and undertake because I own a BMW and I can LAWLZ11!

TheKnat · 12 Oct 2008 at 07:41

I would rather have someone undertake me if they want to go faster, rather than sitting behind me indicating or flashing at me. If I'm the outside lane going 80 and still over taking people comfortably, I don't think I should be moving over for someone who wants to go 90. I'll move over when I'm done over taking the people I need to, so if he wants to go faster he's going to have to go around me.

I've started having to do this more and more though, as you seem to get people who jump straight in the outside lane and go 70. Should always be keeping as far over to the left as you can IMO.

Scuzi · 12 Oct 2008 at 07:44

All this talk of "undertaking". Surely you mean overtaking on the left? You are still overtaking the car in front, only on the left instead of the right. To undertake a car would involve being ahead of it and slowing down so that it passes you and you end up behind it.

If not that, undertaking a car would involve plugging all the holes, filling it up with fluid, giving it some makeup, putting it in a suit and then putting it into a crate ready for burial.

Scuzi · 12 Oct 2008 at 07:45

TheKnat said:
I would rather have someone undertake me if they want to go faster, rather than sitting behind me indicating or flashing at me. If I'm the outside lane going 80 and still over taking people comfortably, I don't think I should be moving over for someone who wants to go 90. I'll move over when I'm done over taking the people I need to, so if he wants to go faster he's going to have to go around me.

I've started having to do this more and more though, as you seem to get people who jump straight in the outside lane and go 70. Should always be keeping as far over to the left as you can IMO.

If there is sufficient room for someone to go around the inside of you, there is also sufficient room for you to move over to the left to let them past before moving out again to continue merrily on your way without slowing down at all.

TheKnat · 12 Oct 2008 at 07:50

Scuzi said:
If there is sufficient room for someone to go around the inside of you, there is also sufficient room for you to move over to the left to let them past before moving out again to continue merrily on your way without slowing down at all.

Not always. Its quite common to see someone slow down, swerve two lanes over and the speed up again in order to try and get in front.

As I said, if there is enough room and no slower cars then I will move over, but if I am still making good progress against slower middle lane cars then why should I have to? Normally this involves moving over to the middle lane and then having to slow right down, because the person who was sat on my bumper has decided to not overtake me quickly enough.

Scuzi · 12 Oct 2008 at 07:53

TheKnat said:
As I said, if there is enough room and no slower cars then I will move over, but if I am still making good progress against slower middle lane cars then why should I have to?

Because you don't drive a BMW? Although, now that I mention that, Audi seem to be taking over (ho ho) in the fast lane ******** stakes. They're the new BMW.

TheKnat · 12 Oct 2008 at 07:57

What did clarkson say ? Everyone is moving over from M3s to RS4s aren't they

atpbx · 12 Oct 2008 at 08:30

You just sit in the inside lane, then overtake those that are in front of you.
If you end up going faster than someone in the middle lane, thats tough for them, nobody should be sitting in any lane other than the inside one.

jellybeard999 · 12 Oct 2008 at 11:54

If theres someone sitting in the outside lane doing below the speed limit, on a dual carriageway or motorway with no traffic to their left, is it or is it not legal to pass them on the left ?

I was led to believe this was undertaking and illegal, but scuzi has explained it above differently.

MrFunex · 12 Oct 2008 at 11:55

It's because everyone sits in the middle lane round here because

"the slow lane is for lorries, the middle lane is for 70mph, and the fast lane is for 80mph"

Common sense isn't it?

Griffo · 12 Oct 2008 at 14:32

Mohinder said:
This is what it comes down to.

I said the same thing to a guy at work who moaned at me for passing him on the inside on the way to work, he said 'but I was doing 80!'.. there was no one to his left!

People need to get the concept of a 'fast lane' out of their minds :/

Discussions about driving, when at work should be avoided! I wanted to crotch/face/everything punch my idiot colleague at work after a brief discussion, though he can't drive and is a thicky.

My manager though is a good guy, and also goes quite a bit faster than me!

BigglesPiP · 12 Oct 2008 at 14:54

[TW]Fox;12676739 said:
Thats not strictly true - if you are in the outside lane and you come up behind slower moving traffic behind a numpty 5-6 cars ahead you can do nothing really but wait - its possible to undertake you and the rest of the cars but you are not in the wrong lane?

This ^^^.

I'm not in the wrong lane, I'm simply waiting in line to pass the slow traffic ahead like everyone else.

In the north I almost never see it, but down here loads of people think it's all right to tear up the 2nd lane undertaking everyone and then barging into the 3rd lane when they get to the slow traffic.

It's illegal, and it's not because of the people in the 3rd lane, who are driving legally.

Morba · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:39

BigglesPiP said:
This ^^^.

I'm not in the wrong lane, I'm simply waiting in line to pass the slow traffic ahead like everyone else.

In the north I almost never see it, but down here loads of people think it's all right to tear up the 2nd lane undertaking everyone and then barging into the 3rd lane when they get to the slow traffic.

It's illegal, and it's not because of the people in the 3rd lane, who are driving legally.

the lane beside you is empty, you clearly are not in a position to overtake the next car, so move over. go out and around the car when you need to.

Morba · 12 Oct 2008 at 16:41

Griffo said:
Discussions about driving, when at work should be avoided! I wanted to crotch/face/everything punch my idiot colleague at work after a brief discussion, though he can't drive and is a thicky.

My manager though is a good guy, and also goes quite a bit faster than me!

so true, there is a few i have spoken to before who have whinged about me cutting into a lane of traffic while they have been queuing in the same lane, yet that lane has not even turned into the feeder lane for the junction yet!! im not sitting there for ages when there is big gaps when i actually need to pull over (i dont leave it to the last second either).

BigglesPiP · 12 Oct 2008 at 17:03

Morba said:
the lane beside you is empty, you clearly are not in a position to overtake the next car, so move over. go out and around the car when you need to.

No!

I'll be sat in lane 2 for ages waiting for someone in that queue in lane 3 to let me in when I've politely sat in lane 1 or 2 not undertaking the queue. Such a move - if done by 2/3 of the cars in the queue would get you to the jam faster, but not get you past it any faster.
Just sit in line, we all get past in the end, undertaking is queue pushing. And I pass most of the people who do it again a few miles later anyway.

PardonTheWait · 12 Oct 2008 at 17:46

BigglesPiP said:
It's illegal, and it's not because of the people in the 3rd lane, who are driving legally.

No it's not.

If I'm in lane 1 doing 70mph, and I get to you, sat in lane 2 doing 65 (for example), I'm quite within my rights to just keep on truckin'.

I'm not allowed to pull to the left, go past, and pull back in, but if when I get to you I'm in lane 1, I can stay there and I don't have to slow down.