--- Yewen Previews Antec Skeleton! ---

rjkoneill said:
i knew when i first saw this case it would split opinions
i knew it would cause arguments too!

:p

antec have anounced that the skeleton case includes a spill proof plastic beaker for the clumsy folk to put their drinks in
as well as a cup holder for the side of the case [so the fan can keep your drink cool]
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lol :p
 
The other problem with open cases like these is tidy cable management. I find things in any case look great, until you start to cable up. With a normal case you have a full hidden side panel where you can have any old heath robinson arrangement of cables stuffed in and cable tied up with just neat ends of cables poking back through. With a case like this however I imagine it will be much harder to hide the slack lengths of cable.
 
Orange Peel said:
So, anyone who has spilt a drink over a computer is an idiot. Great you've just insulted a large number of computer users..

I have a valid argument. If you have a valid response please continue to respond.
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My mate once spilt milk over his computer.

My mate is a frickin' idiot.

This is why I wouldn't advise him to buy the Antec Skeleton case because he stupid and will likely damage the components.

Saying that this case will have higher dust collection than normal or that this case is more exposed to water falling on your components is like saying you'll get sand in your feet on a beach full of Sand. Kind of stating the obvious.

The point I'm making is that if you were to buy this case, you would be fully aware of the cons, and thus would abstain from leaving drinks near it.

Plus, the negative implications of a one-off case (and in your case, the £1.2K Art Lebedev keyboard) really do not apply to you, as you're not going to buy it.

Of course you're free to criticise, but your criticisms make no sense. Its a case build for a purpose. If you were to criticise the functional aspects of the case (accessiblity, etc) then I'd get that.

You haven't and instead you've merely pointed out things that I can judge with my own goddamn eyes.

:)
 
Chimerical said:
Saying that this case will have higher dust collection than normal or that this case is more exposed to water falling on your components is like saying you'll get sand in your feet on a beach full of Sand. Kind of stating the obvious.
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Not at all. Cases with filters have less internal dust than cases without.

Chimerical said:
The point I'm making is that if you were to buy this case, you would be fully aware of the cons, and thus would abstain from leaving drinks near it.
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Disagree. I'd bet a lot of people buying this case wouldnt think twice about the cons. The purchase would be made to have something different and out of the ordinary.

Chimerical said:
Plus, the negative implications of a one-off case (and in your case, the £1.2K Art Lebedev keyboard) really do not apply to you, as you're not going to buy it.
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So I'm not allowed to have an opinion on something I don't own? You've never given your opionion on something you don't own then. I'm not going to look for examples as you've done but I'm sure you see my point.


Chimerical said:
Of course you're free to criticise, but your criticisms make no sense. Its a case build for a purpose. If you were to criticise the functional aspects of the case (accessiblity, etc) then I'd get that.
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What point is this case built for. I'd argue that its built for the novelty factor and not people who are true overclockers or knowledgable (yes big statement) computer users as tbh it's not any better for testing than any other case as proven above with the quick realase tray where you still have to undo a couple of screws to 'quick release' it.

Chimerical said:
You haven't and instead you've merely pointed out things that I can judge with my own goddamn eyes.

:)
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If that makes you warm and fuzzy inside then great.

The case is still a gimick designed to fill a gap for people seeking something different. Its not a well designed 'overclockers' case or aimed at people who constantly change components. Its to cash in on an area not really covered in todays case market.
 
Orange Peel said:
Not at all. Cases with filters have less internal dust than cases without.
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I knew that already. You mis-read what I wrote.

Disagree. I'd bet a lot of people buying this case wouldnt think twice about the cons. The purchase would be made to have something different and out of the ordinary.
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Yeah, and why do companies have to idiotproof everything for those type of people? They don't and to be honest, the type of people you're talking about is a very small percentage. I literally could not think of a single person who would spend £150 on this for 'novelty value'.

So I'm not allowed to have an opinion on something I don't own? You've never given your opionion on something you don't own then. I'm not going to look for examples as you've done but I'm sure you see my point.
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I never said you're not allowed an opinion on something you don't own. But going on about dust and water (two theoretical things which require ownership to judge) as major cons is fine and good (I do it when judging cases that I might actually buy), but in this particular context, I don't see the point of those comments. Its obviously not a standard mainstream case, therefore who cares about dust?

What point is this case built for. I'd argue that its built for the novelty factor and not people who are true overclockers or knowledgable (yes big statement) computer users as tbh it's not any better for testing than any other case as proven above with the quick realase tray where you still have to undo a couple of screws to 'quick release' it.
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Well then it'll fail if thats the case. No-one will buy it and that's that.

If that makes you warm and fuzzy inside then great.
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Yes it does. It really does.

The case is still a gimick designed to fill a gap for people seeking something different. Its not a well designed 'overclockers' case or aimed at people who constantly change components. Its to cash in on an area not really covered in todays case market.
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Finally, you've written something constructive.
 
We're just going to go round in circles misunderstanding each other if I comment on the other parts of your post so I'm just going to comment on one section.

Chimerical said:
But going on about dust and water (two theoretical things which require ownership to judge)
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There's nothing theoretical about it. I've enough experience of every aspect or PC build, design and configuration to know what the outcome will be. So do many other people who agree dust will be a problem. Are you saying we're all wrong because we don't own one or are you going to argue against basic physics?

Do you disagree with the following?

It will have a huge dust problem.

It wont be good at any better at cooling than any decent case.

It poses a significant safety risks (I'd love to see the ISO/EU testing on this)

Its a poor design for something that is supposed to be the ultimate case for overclockers etc. The quick release is hardly, quick release.

The top fan is about wow factor rather than functionality.
 
Orange Peel said:
Do you disagree with the following?

It will have a huge dust problem.

It wont be good at any better at cooling than any decent case.

It poses a significant safety risks (I'd love to see the ISO/EU testing on this)

Its a poor design for something that is supposed to be the ultimate case for overclockers etc. The quick release is hardly, quick release.

The top fan is about wow factor rather than functionality.
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I disagree with all those points that can be disagreed with.

It can't be compared to 'any decent case' as that clearly isn't the point of it. It should be a specialist's product, bought by people who need it for what it is, a bench desk (or something cool, I dunno) but it catergorically cannot be compared to something like an Antec 1200. It just can't, for obvious reasons.

Dust & cooling do not matter, because if anyone were to use this as their long-term, single main build case, with all their precious files on it, then that person is the highest form of retard if they think that its okay just to expose all of your expensive components for something like a family computer that the cat can eat.

Its good for a secondary system, maybe, that isn't switched on all the time (for what reasons I don't know).

Its not the ultimate case for overclockers, its merely for benchers. There is a difference, as overclockers/enthusiasts (apply correct terms) actually use their PC's for games etc.

Benchers just do 3DMark and then swap the CPU/GPU out. They don't actually use the hardware for anything.

I think you're confusing this case with the needs of a typical customer. This case, to me, is exactly the same as that Art Lebedev keyboard. It'll only be bought by people who want/need it. It shouldn't be bought by the standard guy looking for a £X spec for games, web browsing and MS Office.
 
Chimerical said:
I disagree with all those points that can be disagreed with.
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Does that actually make any sense? Please excuse me if I'm being think I've had a long day :) Surely you do or don't disagree?


Chimerical said:
It can't be compared to 'any decent case' as that clearly isn't the point of it. It should be a specialist's product, bought by people who need it for what it is, a bench desk (or something cool, I dunno) but it catergorically cannot be compared to something like an Antec 1200. It just can't, for obvious reasons.
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It can be compared because essentially its does the same job as an other case. It's designed to hold/contain computer components. If you're saying it's designed specifically to be a test bench (typically something basic and easily accessible) it fails miserably and IMHO a standard case is just as quick to access as this.

Chimerical said:
Dust & cooling do not matter, because if anyone were to use this as their long-term, single main build case, with all their precious files on it, then that person is the highest form of retard if they think that its okay just to expose all of your expensive components for something like a family computer that the cat can eat.
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You say its a test bench. I wouldn't think any self respecting bencher would buy this to use as their test bed. If some foolishly do they will most likely remove the black cage and only utilise that part once the novelty wears off. This will be bought by people who like the WOW factor which means it will be their main rig and will be left on more than off. If its turned off the cat can still come and eat it as you say. Do benchers tidy away their rigs once done or leave them out in plain site. How many tidy computer geeks do you know?

IMO its too big and poorly designed to fit into any category besides that of 'OMG I've got an Antec Skeleton'
 
Orange Peel said:
Does that actually make any sense? Please excuse me if I'm being think I've had a long day :) Surely you do or don't disagree?
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It means I can disagree with the subjective statements.

Things like "it will collect dust" are invalid points (within this context) that I can neither agree nor disagree with as they are just obvious statements that don't need to be, errr, stated.

It can be compared because essentially its does the same job as an other case. It's designed to hold/contain computer components. If you're saying it's designed specifically to be a test bench (typically something basic and easily accessible) it fails miserably and IMHO a standard case is just as quick to access as this.
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But you're confusing what its marketed as, with the type of people that may un-wittingly buy it without considering its practical implications. My interpretation of this case is that it is Not merely designed to house your components and if someone buys it on that basis then they are mis-informed and have wasted their money. Consumer ignorance should not devalue the original purpose of the product especially if that ignorance is derived from someone whom this case isn't targeted at.

When you say that it fails "as a test bench", that makes much more sense, as you are then judging the case within the parameters that it is meant to be judged.
 
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i managed that for just 0.00
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Chimerical said:
But you're confusing what its marketed as, with the type of people that may un-wittingly buy it without considering its practical implications. My interpretation of this case is that it is Not merely designed to house your components and if someone buys it on that basis then they are mis-informed and have wasted their money. Consumer ignorance should not devalue the original purpose of the product especially if that ignorance is derived from someone whom this case isn't targeted at.
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No I'm not. I'm pointout the downfalls of the design, simple as that. You're putting the swerve on it to make it look like my posts are unjustified. Its a case designed to hold PC components, fact. Just because the design differs from the usual enclosed design it can still be judged by the same standards as it does exactly the same job.

However as you keep saying that I'm wrong lets move away from my initial observations and look at the purpose of this case. Its supposed to be for benchers who need easy access to their components. Is that a fair statement? How is this design any better than a case with a removable motherboard tray (especially one with the card retaining bracket attached), quick release HDD/CD cage? Its not. Its clearly marketed at people who want Wow facter. You say anyone wanting to house their components are mis-infored. I say they're just getting sucked in by the hype of a new 'different' case which has nothing to do with the practicallity of its design.

I believe it is aimed at people who believe form over function is king. Just as you're standing by your interpretation doesn't mean it's not ignorance on your part.
 
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