does Hell exist?

Richdog · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:36

Jet said:
What do you mean?

It means while we can theoretically trace back 99% of our ancestry (as we see it), the definitive proof of our evolution from Earths native fauna hasn't been found yet. The "missing link" is a certain evolutionary stage we haven't been able to find yet that would make the theory 100% concrete.

As I understand it anyway (I could be wrong)...

BigglesPiP · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:38

Inquisitor said:
Can you provide a 'proof' for everything you believe to be true?

Lack of proof, is not proof of existence.

Flying spaghetti monster TBH.

Everything I believe to exist, can be proven.

Richdog · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:39

BigglesPiP said:
Lack of proof, is not proof of existence.

Flying spaghetti monster TBH.

Nope it's not proof of existence, but it's a convenient get-out clause...

daveydave · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:40

Jet said:
I'm sure for some individuals that's true but for society as a whole I think religion has held us back.

Of course conflicts that have been born out of religion, a major negative. But at the same time the processes and motions the human race have experinced have shaped us a whole.

An example being technological advances made during WWII.

Richdog · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:42

david.n.c said:
Of course conflicts that have been born out of religion, a major negative. But at the same time the processes and motions the human race have experinced have shaped us a whole.

An example being technological advances made during WWII.

How was religion related to WWII technological advances (not being pedantic, just trying to see the correlation)?

psychas · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:42

molten rocks, lava etc yes if u can call it hell ? other jibajaba bs no

same as i would say there is invisible man living in the sky ^_^

Edinho · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:44

AJUK said:
An interesting read, thanks AcidHell2. It just goes to show just how deluded many people are. There is no hell, there is no heaven and there is no god. The sooner humanity realise this the sooner there will be peace on this planet and the true course of our evolution can continue.

Prove it. Until there is scientific proof ie. the answer to everything. Then your scepticism is just as valid as someone who believes in it.

Hell was created to create a fear of eternal suffering to control the masses, and the version of hell we subscribe to was created by Dante.

AJUK said:
The ******* great big TRex in the foyer of the National History Museum for one.

/sighs, shakes head and leaves thread

It proves that a T-rex roamed the earth 50 million years ago not how it evolved.

BigglesPiP · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:45

Evolution, the proof it exists.

If a creature accidentally fell together out of a bunch of elements and compounds, which fell together using such a design of DNA that it mutated slightly in each or every occasional generation, it WOULD eventually mutate into one or more better creatures, based on survival of the fittest. In this really big universe (I really can't express how big it is), the law of averages says this has happened lots of times and places.

Feel free to poke a hole, I believe every concept and fact used in this can and has been proven scientifically (science is not a religion, it's a method of research).

blix · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:46

I think there only really exists a problem if you consider Hell to be a place of infinite punishment or punishment for all eternity. If you simply believe that there could be an existence that's not as nice as this one where bad people go, I don't really think that that contradicts the idea of a benevolent God. If good people go to Heaven, bad people have to go somewhere else. They would only suffer in as much as they deserved to. If you lead a terrible life can you really expect something nice to happen to you?

Richdog · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:46

Edinho said:
Prove it. Until there is scientific proof ie. the answer to everything. Then your scepticism is just as valid as someone who believes in it.

Hell was created to create a fear of eternal suffering to control the masses, and the version of hell we subscribe to was created by Dante.

Agreed... the problem is that some parts of religion DO add up and some parts of the Bible are historically correct and can be proven... it's the just the more fantastical side of it we have trouble with, but at the same time still can't disprove.

And yeah agreed... the promotion and fear of hell is probably one of the the greatest behavioural modification tools of all time. Well, not nowadays so much, but...

Inquisitor · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:47

Kobrakai said:
Actually yes, there is loads of scientific evidence to support the theory of evolution.

I said proof, not evidence.

mrk · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:47

Inquisitor said:
I said proof, not evidence.

Evidence is proof.

Pilky01 · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:47

I believe in science, logic and common sense. There is no god, no heaven or hell.

Gerard · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:48

If hell exists id assume heaven would have to at the same time. If you go to heaven you get wings and a harp and go prancing about in fields. If you go to hell you get imp sticking pitchforks up yer arse for eternity. Can't say i believe in either. =/

daveydave · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:50

Richdog said:
How was religion related to WWII technological advances (not being pedantic, just trying to see the correlation)?

Correct there was no link excluding Hitlers attempt to wipe the Jews off the face of the planet, but what I mean is conflict, often a result of religion (historically anyway) can result in future advances for humans as a race.

I'm sure as a result of the ongoing conflict between the Israel and Palistine some technological advances have come about, via R&D and a desire to "win" the conflict.

I guess war generates an immediate high spend in researching technology.

Gerard · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:51

rz30 said:
You do realise that that is why God rejected the Jews as they demanded proof, it's the classic sign of one who has become hardened to the truth..

And that is the one point that most believers use to thump people who don't believe over the head. One line in the bible and thats the entire defence. "blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe".

Edinho · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:51

mrk said:
Evidence is proof.

oh dear.

Richdog · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:51

BigglesPiP said:
Evolution, the proof it exists.

If a creature accidentally fell together out of a bunch of elements and compounds, which fell together using such a design of DNA that it mutated slightly in each or every occasional generation, it WOULD eventually mutate into one or more better creatures, based on survival of the fittest. In this really big universe (I really can't express how big it is), the law of averages says this has happened lots of times and places.

Feel free to poke a hole, I believe every concept and fact used in this can and has been proven scientifically (science is not a religion, it's a method of research).

I'm a big believer in science but just bear in mind that the laws are always been re-written and pioneering new theories introduced that contradict currently accepted fact or att he very least take it in completely new direections. It's possible that in 500 years time our knowledge of science will turn what we now accept as gospel on it's head, as a race we're still much in our infancy. Up until the 1930's technology progress was slow and belaboured... look how far we have come in the last 50 years, it's simply frightening that we have made so much progress in the space of a few decades when the world stayed relatively constant (comparatively speaking) for thousands of years before it. In a few hundred years almost anything could be possible as we explore space, discover new materials and sciences/technologies...

BigglesPiP · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:52

Inquisitor said:
I said proof, not evidence.

Nothing can really be proven, we just slowly build a better understanding of the world around us as we discover more evidence.

Theories are never proven, we simply reach a level of confidence where most of us accept and use them. Such as "2>1", a lot of work has gone into proving this, which is still challenged today.

The evidence on the subject, combined with the current major theory, is proof enough for me. You of course don't have to believe it, that's the beauty of it, just don't drag me backwards with you.

BigglesPiP · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:54

Richdog said:
I'm a big believer in science but just bear in mind that the laws are always been re-written and new theories introduced that contradict currently accepted fact. It's possible that in 500 years time our knowledge of science will turn what we now accept as gospel on it's head, as a race we're still much in our infancy. Up until the 1930's technology progress was slow and belaboured... look how far we have come in the last 50 years, it's simply frightening that we have made so much progress in the space of a few decades when the world stayed relatively constant for thousands of years before it. In a few hundred years almost anything could be possible as we explore space, discover new materials and sciences/technologies...

Agree completely, was writing my previous post as you wrote that.

I like the Scientific method. It's lot like the open source community.