Zimbabwe.

The history of Zimbabwe began with the end of the Bush War and the transition to majority rule in 1980. The United Kingdom ceremonially granted Zimbabwe independence on April 18, 1980 in accordance with the Lancaster House Agreement. In the 1990s Zimbabwe's economy began to deteriorate due to mismanagement and corruption. Economic instability led several members of the military to try to overthrow the government in a coup d'état.
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The continent is strange with every country fighting, mainly governments against warlords.

I like to think as most of Africa as 1700s Europe
 
Gackt said:
I hate this outlook. The whole "it's not our problem" when it really is our problem. If we, as humans, can stand by and watch as people suffer, then we are just as bad as those who cause the suffering.

Now, I don't think we should go in guns blazing, we should do the best that we can to help them sort out the problems and then sustain themselves. We are, at the end of the day, all humans, we all have to share this Earth - and let's say there are Aliens out there, then we need to be united in some real sense in order to move forward.
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But aren't half these problems caused by Western interference in the first place?

(I'm generalising massively and using guesswork btw) just asking.
 
cheets64 said:
It was but it was when the white man was in power, as soon as the black man got in power everything went to ****.
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Systematic racism against the white farmers of Zimbabwe forced them out and land was turned over to black people. Basically entire farms of thousands of hectares were turned over to people that had no idea how to run farms of that size, as such crop yields fell dramatically and it was a major contributor to where they are now. To be fair, if someone told me I had a few hectares of farmland from tomorrow and I had to grow food on it... I'd be pretty lost too. :(

It's disappointing the stance that neighbouring countries have taken with Mugabe. South Africa should have (or should still) be more forthcoming with condemnation of Mugabe's antics.
 
Dazzy_G said:
I don't think its our problem either tbh. should have had there own industrial revolution.
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Zimbabwe has (or rather had) a lot of infrastructure including a decent rail network powered by coal trains (because coal was so abundant).
 
cheets64 said:
I like to think as most of Africa as 1700s Europe
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I would agree with this.

Africa needs to develop socially and its people need to be educated.

Money on its own solves nothing.

Build Wells and stuff like that by all means, but when people think that simply money is the solution to their problems (or more war) then I think those ideals need re-thinking.
 
Chimerical said:
I would agree with this.

Africa needs to develop socially and its people need to be educated.

Money on its own solves nothing.

Build Wells and stuff like that by all means, but when people think that simply money is the solution to their problems (or more war) then I think those ideals need re-thinking.
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I think your too keen to suddenly impose western ideals on Africa. Africa is a very different culture to the west, and it's not going to adopt western society over night.
 
Dazzy_G said:
And who put that there?
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We did. :)
My point was, Zimbabwe was basically one of the most developed countries in Africa at the time of independence, which is why the story is perhaps even sadder than the plight of other African countries. :(
 
yantorsen said:
But you seem to imply that Africa needs to be "westernised", just in it's own time. But I don't agree.
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I don't think it should be forced onto them. I'm merely saying what they need, as opposed to people thinking that we as a rich nation should throw money at the problem (or a war).

But they should be enabled to come around to it in their own time; i.e. help keep the countries (Zimbabwe, etc.) stable (somehow) and let them develop on their own.

But there's going to be no social progression while people like Mugabe are in power. Having said that, I don't think a military-based war is the answer.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Very constructive argument there.
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I've already outlined why I think Africa should sort itself out in numerous other threads. As long as they're happy to sit back with all the corruption, genocide, disease and crime that goes on in that Continent without doing anything about it themselves then they can go for the proverbial long walk off a short pier. After all, it's not like the money isn't there, is it?
 
Something a lad from south afria said to me,

"You can take the monkeys out the trees but you cant take the trees out of the monkeys"

All be it with his racist twist he has a point, these people for the majority have spent their enitre lives hunting and living off the land, we then decide it is too racist for a white person to run a black country, so we give everything back and it all goes **** up.

KaHn
 
Azagoth said:
I've already outlined why I think Africa should sort itself out in numerous other threads. As long as they're happy to sit back with all the corruption, genocide, disease and crime that goes on in that Continent without doing anything about it themselves then they can go for the proverbial long walk off a short pier. After all, it's not like the money isn't there, is it?
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What can an impoverished populace do in Zombabwe to make a difference without outside help ?

A largely uneducated, peasant population that will be executed in a heartbeat if they rise to try to overthrow the regime there.

I suspect quite strongly that a mother who has just buried her infant child from starvation or preventable disease id far from happy with the state.
 
Chimerical said:
I don't think it should be forced onto them. I'm merely saying what they need, as opposed to people thinking that we as a rich nation should throw money at the problem (or a war).

But they should be enabled to come around to it in their own time; i.e. help keep the countries (Zimbabwe, etc.) stable (somehow) and let them develop on their own.

But there's going to be no social progression while people like Mugabe are in power. Having said that, I don't think a military-based war is the answer.
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It's not about "social progression" there social system works totally different to ours, doesn't mean it's less developed.
 
Rhodesia and South Africa only prospered because of white rule. Both countries have declined under black majority rule, especially Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe).

Can anyone show me a country in Africa that has prospered under black majority rule?
 
Spie said:
Rhodesia and South Africa only prospered because of white rule. Both countries have declined under black majority rule, especially Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe).

Can anyone show me a country in Africa that has prospered under black majority rule?
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No,

But you're rich, it's Friday night, what on earth are you doing posting here, we have an excuse, we're poor!:eek:
 
Spie said:
Rhodesia and South Africa only prospered because of white rule. Both countries have declined under black majority rule, especially Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe).

Can anyone show me a country in Africa that has prospered under black majority rule?
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How's Nigeria doing?

Last I heard, they were okay.

Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa and the eighth most populous country in the world with a population of over 140 million. It is a regional power, it is listed among the "Next Eleven" economies, and is a member of the Commonwealth of Nations. The economy of Nigeria is one of the fastest growing in the world with the International Monetary Fund projecting a growth of 9% in 2008 and 8.3% in 2009.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria
 
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