Non-Christians have no morals
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Don't have to, I can ask the Pope instead, who was a Hitler Youth ... and I thought he was supposed to have hardline to god?
Well if you knew anything about the bible you would know no human can be closer to God than another, we are all equal sinners. he believes in things like hell which aren't in the bible and most of his churches were set up for things like divorces which are well documented.
As i said denominations should not reflect on a religion, they are not the same.
He's say that he's repented and is now living a better life.
He wasn't the Pope when he was in Hitler Youth.
The government backed militia groups (Shiite ones) get support from USA because they are "helping" toe the governemtn / US line.
Can you specify which ones? Some names would be helpful.
Last time I checked, it was the Shiite groups which were responsible for most of the bombings and civilian killings. The Mahdi Army is one such group, and they are fighting the Yanks with tremendous enthusiasm. Not much sign of co-operation there!
I didn't mean he converted people personally
He greatly helped the cause of Christianity in Rome though, since if the emperor is Christian is not only influences citizens, but undermines the old Roman religion's beliefs, such as the emperor being a God.
Christianity itself did not become the official religion of the Roman Empire until the reign of Emperor Theodosius (a Christian emperor).[/QUOTE]
I know.
No it's not false, when I say written I meant in the form it is in now, our current cannon. Obviously it was written down in the original manuscripts much before then
. I know what I'm talking about, you don't have to be so condescending. Yes I know... That's what I meant by Constantine "aided" the Bibles creation. The "Bible" didn't exist before then, they were just other collections of scripture.
True.
But you have not shown how Constantine aided the Bible's creation. He had nothing to do with it.
Other people worked out their own personal canons, but nothing was official until the Protestants began to publish their canon during the Reformation, and the Catholics finally agreed on their own canon at the Council of Trent.
Yes I know. I mean he "aided" it because he kick started the conversion of the Roman Empire. If the importance of Christianity was not put in place by Constantine then the Church as we see it today would be very different. I did not mean that Constantine literally worked in the same room as ancient scholars deciding which texts to use.
In terms of the question in the topic, its completely wrong, why cant non christians have morals? I experienced quite the opposite days ago. My granny unfortunately died recently. She attended the same church for 93 years and was obviously very close to the minister. He retired recently and his replacement only met my grandmother once. We of course wanted her old minister to do the service and he was keen to as well.
Unfortunately the new minister is a number of bad words and flat out refused, 'no service will take place in the church unless Im in charge.' So my grannys funeral was held at the funeral parlour, the new minister also INSISTED on performing part of the service and inviting himself to the wake. So christians are those with morals while the rest of us live in sin? I think not. If my granny wasn't the saint she was, I would have dropped the fat ****
Unfortunately the new minister is a number of bad words and flat out refused, 'no service will take place in the church unless Im in charge.' So my grannys funeral was held at the funeral parlour, the new minister also INSISTED on performing part of the service and inviting himself to the wake. So christians are those with morals while the rest of us live in sin? I think not. If my granny wasn't the saint she was, I would have dropped the fat ****
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We don't need religion to teach us morality. That is what religionists would have you believe, so they can get you in.
Faith makes a virtue out of not thinking.
Religion enslaves intellect and intelligence, and leads people to believe they have the answers, which they do not, and this is a very dangerous belief to hold.
(random mash of quotes from random thinkers)
Faith makes a virtue out of not thinking.
Religion enslaves intellect and intelligence, and leads people to believe they have the answers, which they do not, and this is a very dangerous belief to hold.
(random mash of quotes from random thinkers)
That's a curious assertion, since some of the world's greatest thinkers have been Christians.
Voltaire, Thomas Hobbes and John Locke were all Christians. They were also leading figures of the Enlightenment era. It is from these men (and others like them) that Western civilisation received many of the principles which would later form the bedrock of the modern secular state.
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Read your history. In 1941 it was German policy that all boys over the age of ten where required to join the Hitler Youth. Joseph Alois Ratzinger had no choice in the matter.
Following his fourteenth birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was enrolled in the Hitler Youth as membership was required for all 14-year old German boys after December 1939, but was an unenthusiastic member and refused to attend meetings. His father was a bitter enemy of Nazism, believing it conflicted with the Catholic faith. In 1943 while still in seminary, he was drafted at age 16 into the German anti-aircraft corps. Ratzinger then trained in the German infantry, but a subsequent illness precluded him from the usual rigours of military duty. As the Allied front drew closer to his post in 1945, he deserted back to his family's home in Traunstein after his unit had ceased to exist, just as American troops established their headquarters in the Ratzinger household. As a German soldier, he was put in a POW camp but was released a few months later at the end of the War in summer 1945. He reentered the seminary, along with his brother Georg, in November of that year.
No, you can see the after effects of wind, but the eye cannot see wind.
Read up on "papal infallibility", basically saying pope is always right (which can be extended to pre pope years as well).
If he really has a hard-line to god, he should have known in 193x to not join Hitler youth, even if forced. I thought Christianity liked martyrs as much as the Muslims (look at middle ages).
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I was on your side of the arguement anyway, replying to someone saying you can actually see electricity.