Uk prisons needs reform

[TW]Fox;13458150 said:
So assuming you did that where is the incentive not to, I dunno, beat the crap out of wardens etc? Being let out early for good behaviour is what maintains order in most prisons.
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In America, the incentive for good behavior on a life sentence is to live in a communal area of the prison, which may or may not be an overcrowded, converted gym.

If they misbehave; isolation.

If they still misbehave, they take away everything in their cells, just leave it as a bare concrete box, this includes the inmate's clothes.

They always start to behave again when they get bored of sleeping naked on a concrete slab.





You may say these measures are OTT, but they're only for lifers. Who have usually killed.




On the subject of capital punishment, I believe in life in prison to prove your innocence.
 
Fact is, we are stuck between a rock and hard place, fact is nobody should commit crime and break the law but people do and people have been doing it for....a long time.

Should we try to rehabilitate prisoners or should we just lock them up for 23 hours a day, does locking them up for 23 hours a day show them what animals this country is and they will probably reoffend or do we treat them like humans and when they get released do they see doing "time" as cushy.

Serious criminals do see a long time and are never released, many criminals do see the light of day, many people bang on about certain criminals getting 20 years but imagine being locked up for 20 years.

Fact is we don't have the land or staff to make more prison, you look at every proposed site for a new prions case of the "not in my back yard" brigade but they are the first to moan at crime.
 
cheets64 said:
Fact is, we are stuck between a rock and hard place, fact is nobody should commit crime and break the law but people do and people have been doing it for....a long time.

Should we try to rehabilitate prisoners or should we just lock them up for 23 hours a day, does locking them up for 23 hours a day show them what animals this country is and they will probably reoffend or do we treat them like humans and when they get released do they see doing "time" as cushy.

Serious criminals do see a long time and are never released, many criminals do see the light of day, many people bang on about certain criminals getting 20 years but imagine being locked up for 20 years.

Fact is we don't have the land or staff to make more prison, you look at every proposed site for a new prions case of the "not in my back yard" brigade but they are the first to moan at crime.
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Agree with that.
 
sandman06 said:
expect to be thrown in a room with no windows and white like an apple mac. till you go crazy.
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So some one goes in on a minor charge, then comes out bat**** crazy and costs thousands in medical care, or attacks somebody and then can't be sent to prison as they are mentally unfit?
 
DAnDan said:
Really?
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yep has been proven time and again, in America, costs much much more because of all the appeals extra evidence required longer court cases, substantially higher protection for guards, higher pay for gaurds etc. much cheaper and safer to keep them locked up.
 
Tefal said:
yep has been proven time and again, in America, costs much much more because of all the appeals extra evidence required longer court cases, substantially higher protection for guards, higher pay for gaurds etc. much cheaper and safer to keep them locked up.
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Never thought about it like that, but surely a trial should be as conclusive as possible regardless of the punishment?

I was just thinking that the cost of 1 bullet<cost of a lifetime of food, room and everything.
 
DAnDan said:
Never thought about it like that, but surely a trial should be as conclusive as possible regardless of the punishment?
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You're about to kill a man, you can;t just have one trial and you can;t just do it after the trial you have to wait decades while the defendant has numerous retrials and appeals, police made to look for new evidence tests done again and again, every expert analysed over and over to make sure they are competent and correct.

I was just thinking that the cost of 1 bullet<cost of a lifetime of food, room and everything.
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yeah the execution is carried out with something like $5 worth of drugs, but you've got to pay all those lawyers, judges, clerks, police, guards, specialized buildings, experts for testimonies and all sorts of other court costs.

Food is cheap, and a non death row inmate is able to work in the prison. A death row inmate must be treated with incredible caution at all times as after all he's got nothing to lose from trying kill or main any guard or inmate.
 
Even if it were to reach a point where the british judicial system were to consider the reintroduction of the death penalty (and sometimes I wish they would, other times however, I think they should just bulldoze the isle of white and set up razor wire), there would be so many humanitarian hoops to jump through, that it would never get done.

I am sure that some here will remember Portillo's investigation into methods of execution, where he concluded that the most 'humane' method was hypoxia, but when he suggested it to various american justice groups, their opinion was 'hell no, we want them to suffer'.. would it be any different here?
 
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