Please explain to us what your job entails?
Im not trying to put you down or anything, im just curious
Well it was computer related, so it isn't obviously 'real' engineering.
Why being an Engineer means nothing in this country
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Well it was computer related, so it isn't obviously 'real' engineering.
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You are so wrong. The levels of intelligence required for a sky box setter-upper are so low my dog could do given the training.
Think about how the sky box came around in the first place?
An electrical engineer designs the circuitry.
A product design engineer designs the casing(s) and remotes.
Mechanical/manufacturing engineers create production lines for mass production.
In the middle of this somewhere the item will have been prototyped and probably models created in rapid prototyping via CAD models.
In germany aren't there names for "real" engineers and for technicians. One is an engineer or one is an engineur or something??
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God, will people stop quoting this? I was saying it in regards to how it was described in the original post.
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This.
This is exactly what im saying, people just dont realise what goes into design.
Even a solo chartered engineer could not begin to tackle the task of designing a sky box from scratch. Its just not possible, you need a team of engineers skilled in different areas to get a design.
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This is elitism at it's worst. It's just a word at the end of the day. What makes the difference is that (not all - some) 'real' engineers are paid more, know more complex stuff and get to sneer at the lacky technicians.
Should I go to uni and top up my HND (when I finish it) to a degree, I don't think I'd like to sully myself with the title of engineer at any point. It's way too prestigious, and the terrible attitudes of some of the people 'worthy' of holding the title put me off anyway!
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really, who gives a **** what your title is?
Its not like engineers are on awesome wages is it.....
I'd happily have the title of "Tea Boy" if it meant i could take home shed loads of money. The title doesn't mean ****. Its what goes into the bank that matters!
Its not like engineers are on awesome wages is it.....
I'd happily have the title of "Tea Boy" if it meant i could take home shed loads of money. The title doesn't mean ****. Its what goes into the bank that matters!
Go do it, its worthwhile, however I find the elitism attitude come mostly from undergrads, graduates without a job, or graduates who are just bitter and feel like they're not getting what they deserve. There are a few anomalies. I work with scores of chartered engineers and chief engineers, NONE of them would say anything like what some guys in this thread are saying.
It is very tempting to continue on at Uni, but I'll see what my circumstances are then.
The head of the HE faculty at my college suggests that the minimum qualification level to be able to use the title 'engineer' is HNC/D, but I disagree with that personally. He is a great bloke though, and worked for Ford developing Zetec engines a while back, so he has credibility at least!
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Quite possibily imho the most moronic post in this thread. What does this add to the thread? Its just a personal jibe. I also work in highways and am titled as an engineer. Doesn't mean to say I go and fix pot holes all day. There so much more work involved. You probably have no idea of the effort and work that goes into making this countrys roads safe and idiot proof for people like you.
I also believe that this country is loosing its identity by the throwing out of titles to improve the way people view themselves. Keep the standard job titles if people don't like their job then its reason for them to better themselves to get a different job. This country gives up far to easily in my opinion.
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Pretty much 80% of the engineers i come across have HNC's. The principle engineer at my last job only had a HNC. The engineers i work with at the moment, only 2 out of 7 have degrees - the rest have HNC's.
Your forgetting that experience plays a much bigger part.
You dont need a degree to be called an engineer. You don't need to have a degree to be successful or rich either.
Yes, us Highway Engineers do a lot for you road users - even though all you guys think is we lay a bit of tarmac here and there!
AND, we are generally the ones that get the most abuse from motorists!
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I can see what you're saying and side with you, but there are too many snotty people out there who will shoot you down for what you say.
Experience most certainly plays a large part. I think a lot of people/techs say this to make themselves feel better, but a lot of graduates couldn't operate machinery and produce what they've designed to save their lives.
i dont see your point at all OP because it just doesnt happen like that
every company ive dealed with have called technicians technicians and engineers engineers
maybe it depends where your from. all the big companys i can think off BT , SKY , british gas , virgin etc , things like that all call theyre call out people technicians
every company ive dealed with have called technicians technicians and engineers engineers
maybe it depends where your from. all the big companys i can think off BT , SKY , british gas , virgin etc , things like that all call theyre call out people technicians
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Experience in engineering certainly is more important than the degree. With the engineering degree though I hope to start a few rungs up the ladder higher than an apprentice (the HNC thingy).
Not much fun being stuck out on a motorway, with people beeping there horns at you and shout at you going 70+mph a couple of metres away. To be honest I'm surpirsed any work gets down on the road networks in this country.
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Agreed, but ultimately you need the degree/theory to do the job in the first place. The experience is so important because it helps you use your degree knowledge in the best possible way.
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Engineers dont need to operate machines to manufacture designs - technicians do this.
I dont think you really understand what engineering is
Really? When we had our Sky installed the guy who came to fit it was called an engineer.
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Very much so.
An engineering course HAS to be accredited if it is to be seen as good to employers.
A civil eng degree which is not accredited (by ICE irrc) is crap.
A mechanical orientated eng degree which is not accredited (IMECHE/IET) is crap.
An electrical orientated eng degree which is not accredited (by EEE iirc) is crap.
The degree HAS to be done at a good institute for it to be worth while!