Why being an Engineer means nothing in this country

Exactly.

I was meaning you don't just do a degree and get chartered. You obviously need the degree.

For Mechanical Engineers, (IMechE) to become a fellow, which is required to be allowed to use the Title CEng (mechanical) in the UK, you must complete an IMechE accredited degree (3 or 4 years) and then Initial Professional Development scheme(or monitored pofessional development scheme), with the time requiried on the scheme dependant on which length of degree you take.

I don't know about other disciplines but I've heard there are also exams.

Who really cares what people think? So long as companies aren't recruiting sky technicians into engineering positions what does it matter?

http://www.imeche.org/NR/rdonlyres/76A3B7E2-3999-4672-BEBA-68F265E4AA09/0/CharteredEngAppForm08.pdf said:
ACADEMIC QUALIFICATIONS
To become a Chartered Engineer, the current benchmark standard for qualification is:
• IMechE accredited BEng (Hons)
degree PLUS a period of further
learning to Master’s level
Alternatively, you can apply if
you have:
• An IMechE accredited MEng degree
or equivalent qualification
or
• Engineering Council (UK) Graduate
Diploma and Postgraduate Diploma
of acceptable profile
or
• Overseas qualifications of an
acceptable standard and profile
can be considered from Australia,
Canada, Hong Kong, Ireland,
New Zealand, South Africa, USA,
and Europe
Other qualifications of the required standard may be considered.

P
ROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT
To become a Chartered Engineer you should be able to demonstrate the following responsibilities:
• Use a combination of general and
specialist engineering knowledge
and understanding to optimise the
application of existing and
emerging technology
• Apply appropriate theoretical
and practical methods to the
analysis and solution of
engineering problems
• Provide technical and
commercial leadership
• Demonstrate effective
interpersonal skills
• Make a personal commitment to
professional standards, recognising
obligations to society, the profession
and the environment

PROFESSIONAL REVIEW
The final stage of your application.
The professional review assesses all your engineering skills and experience. Your knowledge and understanding and ability to put what you know into practice will be measured in a written application and interview. Both the application and interview are compulsory for anyone applying for a professional registration
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartered_Engineer_(UK) said:
In the United Kingdom, a Chartered Engineer is a professional engineer registered with Engineering Council UK (the British regulatory body for engineers). Contemporary Chartered Engineers are master's degree-qualified and have gained professional competencies through training and experience. The formation process (academic + internship + peer reviewed professional practice) of a Chartered Engineer spans a minimum of 8-12 years.

The title Chartered Engineer is protected by civil law. With over 180,000 registrants, it is one of the most recognizable international engineering qualifications with registrants in many countries.
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IMO as chartered engineer is protected, it doesn't matter that engineer isn't/
 
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What a load of tosh!!!

Its just a friggin title. A label. Thats it!

The whole CEng thing is just rubbish aswell. The ICE is just a load of old tosh's who think they are important but in reality they just a posh social network.

The fact that these days you need an MEng to have CEng after your name is utter rubbish aswell!
It didnt use to be like this. 15years a go all that was required was a HNC with 3yrs relevant experience. Now you need this and that rubbish.

It doesnt matter if your Chartered these days as there are not enough engineers around in the UK!

As for engineers being ubber intelligent using fluid mechanics and complex load bearing calcs - it does not mean ****! It does not make you a clever person because you churn out complex solutions. I'd expect a civil/structural engineer to be good at maths because theve just spent 6 years doing it (2yrs alevel / 4 yrs uni)!
To put this in perspective - people who work in advertising make a hell of a lot more than engineers and they dont do any complex calculations. Does that mean they are less intelligent? The answer is no!

You can rant all you want about titles and being chartered because in real world it doesnt mean ****.

I dont have a degree in engineering and im not chartered or incorporated but my hourly rate is far more than what the Head of Engineering of my directorate gets paid (im a consultant)!

Ps. My title is Consultant Highways Engineer (for the record)
 
Just the same as in other "professions". Plenty people who work in finance departments will call themseves "accountants" even if they are not Chartered or Certified Accountants. Just means they work with accounts at an experienced level. Likewise architects and Chartered Architects. Same as what I do - I'm a Chartered Surveyor but there's plenty people who can call themselves "surveyors" because that's what they do.

The "Chartered" bit is supposed to represent that the individual has attained a certain dgree of qualification and "supposed" to assure your client that they are dealing with someone who is bound by a set of rules put in place by a professional body, such as Professional Indemnity Insurance so that if you are negligent the client has the backing of an insurance policy. But that doesn't mean to say that a whole host of other "engineers" aren't suitably qualified for their particular type of engineering, and there's no reason why they shouldn't call themselves that in the same way that someone from Rentokil looking at a dry rot job can call themselves "surveyors".
 
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I had the title of Engineer in my last job...And I have no Uni qualifications or anything....So meh.
 
This is just a thread where engineering students and graduates have a battle with people who work outside of engineering, but couldnt give a crap about the title lol.

Kahn is my engineering matey and he likes throwing around big words too! hehe
 
Hedge said:
This is just a thread where engineering students and graduates have a battle with people who work outside of engineering, but couldnt give a crap about the title lol.

Kahn is my engineering matey and he likes throwing around big words too! hehe
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You just think they are big, to describe a ruler oscillating you wanted me to call it "Springy" or something along those lines :p

KaHn
 
I'm a carpenter and self-professed engineer and I only make tables for now. Screw you.

I especially like that you say plumbers and carpenters and the like are unskilled just because we don't know crap like Eueller theory or freaking quantum hyperspace physics or whatever the hell you were prattling on about in your smug condescending elitist OP. Whatever, jog on.

You have other, bigger issues to worry about other than the use of a label. Because that's all it is. Keep emoraging, because it's frankly, hilarious as all hell.
 
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Why's that then? Because they think that their hard work for four years (at least) deserves recognition greater than any monkey who installs Sky dishes for a living?
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I'm sure one is far more useful and skilful than the other, but we're talking about attitude here. This guy is flying in a rage over semantics. There's also the small fact that we're not talking about monkeys and sky dishes, we're talking about plumbers and carpenters and the like who might call themselves engineers and ok maybe they're not as skilled as the OP but aren't exactly unskilled scrubs that anyone can go on to do.

It's an insult to those who are actually in the trade. I'd like to see you do staggered haunched through mortice joint, or set up a roofbeam support then come back to me and say it's unskilled work.

We earn just as much as the OP too, if we're not slacking. Even when the industry is at a low at the moment.
 
Ben M said:
Why's that then? Because they think that their hard work for four years (at least) deserves recognition greater than any monkey who installs Sky dishes for a living?
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Thats all fine and dandy but there's a way of going about it though, i had friends of friends in simillar situations on high level education degree's. Its the whole oh im on/finished a degree im better then everyone else and everybody below me is a "peasant"
 
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If people do ask you what you do, just expand on it and the difference will quickly become clear.

Hi, what do you do for a living?
I attach sky dishes to walls and plug the box in OR I compute high speed transonic flows over aerofoil boundary layers.
 
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