What is the most violent city in the world?

I'd have said somewhere in South America, I don't think there is anywhere in England that can compare to the murder / violent crime rate of a South American city.

Rio / Johannesburg would have been first guesses, then maybe somewhere in Columbia !
 
regulus said:
That list is laughable at best. There are an untold amount of Brits, Germans and French living in Cape Town, SA. Maggie Thatcher's own son lives out there happily, Prince Harry's girlfriend (ex?) studied there for four years, the CEO's of B.A.T, Richemont, Remgro refuse to move anywhere else. Plastice celebs like Britney Spears, Bono and Alicia Keys is constantly seen in Cape Town, Jean Claude van Damme has 2 houses in Cape Town, Michael Schumacher practically lives out there 6 months a year. Most European athletes head to Stellenbosch (30min from Cape Town) to train and get away from the European winters. A Norwegian ex girlfriend of mine married a British fella living out in Cape Town and she said she will not come back to Europe for all the money in the world.

That is only the city I know a lot about. On that list, I've only been to Moscow (well, and Cape Town a lot), and I have not felt threatened or in danger even once. That included walking around night times and some very seedy areas at times.

Granted, perhaps that list is on context with the citizen/muder ratio, but telling me that a place like Johannesburg, Rio or Baghdad with it's constantly suicide bombs, is not worse than a place like Cape Town or Detroit, is laughable at best.
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i would like to see you survive a night on the Cape flats
 
drunkenmaster said:
i'm not saying its not violent itself, but if Compton was 3% of the total area in LA, there are 2000 murders in Compton but 10 in LA, would you say LA was violent, would anyone not in compton think LA was violent. if 98% of the population in a place feel safe, can that place be considered violent even if it has a high murder rate.

Like I was trying to get at, would you feel less safe in LA, knowing you could just stay out of gang neighbourhoods and probably be fine and never see a crime, or safer in a city in Israel where any day any time anywhere you could be blown up be a terrorist who doesn't care who he targets? Theres probably not a huge "murder" rate there, but I'd feel that place was more violent than other places.
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Right. But i think you can sort of clump these places together pretty effectively.

Incidentally, i've been to compton. Didn't see the big deal. My friend and I even went and spoke to the token group of black guys outside a 7 Eleven.

Yeah we pushed the boat right out.
 
Rio isn't that bad. well, that's a relative term of course, but it's better than sao paulo

as long as you don't go anywhere unlit or away from the crowds at night, or flash anything valuable during the day, you won't have any problems in rio
 
regulus said:
That list is laughable at best. There are an untold amount of Brits, Germans and French living in Cape Town, SA. Maggie Thatcher's own son lives out there happily, Prince Harry's girlfriend (ex?) studied there for four years, the CEO's of B.A.T, Richemont, Remgro refuse to move anywhere else. Plastice celebs like Britney Spears, Bono and Alicia Keys is constantly seen in Cape Town, Jean Claude van Damme has 2 houses in Cape Town, Michael Schumacher practically lives out there 6 months a year. Most European athletes head to Stellenbosch (30min from Cape Town) to train and get away from the European winters. A Norwegian ex girlfriend of mine married a British fella living out in Cape Town and she said she will not come back to Europe for all the money in the world.

That is only the city I know a lot about. On that list, I've only been to Moscow (well, and Cape Town a lot), and I have not felt threatened or in danger even once. That included walking around night times and some very seedy areas at times.

Granted, perhaps that list is on context with the citizen/muder ratio, but telling me that a place like Johannesburg, Rio or Baghdad with it's constantly suicide bombs, is not worse than a place like Cape Town or Detroit, is laughable at best.
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All of the people you list above have 1 thing in common. Money. Money buys you a certain amount of protection. None of those people would go to, live in or shop at the "normal" places us folk do.
 
regulus said:
That list is laughable at best.
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I have stayed in some of the AFFLUENT and Money richer areas of Johannesburg with VERY high security.

I am talking full fencing, barbed/alarmed wire, bars on every window, gates in front of every door.

I would not step foot onto the street this housing was on without genuine fear of my life.

Laughable? I think not.

There is a significant difference between Cape Town and the Cape Flats. Regardless of how touristy or built up an area is though, no matter the place in South Africa, you have to be carefull.
 
Aod said:
pah, i've been to Johannesburg a few times and i didn't get murdered even once :p
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Sin_Chase said:
I have stayed in some of the AFFLUENT and Money richer areas of Johannesburg with VERY high security.
I am talking full fencing, barbed/alarmed wire, bars on every window, gates in front of every door.
I would not step foot onto the street this housing was on without genuine fear of my life.
Laughable? I think not.
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Been there too and have to agree with AOD. Didn't seem particularly bad.

Also stayed in pretoria for a couple of weeks with a family that my Fiancee knew - every day we left the secure house and walked a few miles (along a road!!! :eek:) to the local mall to shop and day trip from. We even took a longer walk around some of the farthest reaches of the city - we later discovered they were considered to be dangerous although saw no signs while out and about.

It's like most places - you've just gotta be weary, mindful of others and not 'act' like a tourist. :)

gt
 
When you have locals driving past when your on the street telling you to "get off the road, do you have a deathwish?" That's more than enough for me in absence of a sign :D
 
As the OP has already mentioned, it all depends how you define "violent"

Is it purely on number of murders or number of violent crimes (eg stabbings, beatings etc)?

Does been in a "war zone" or in the middle of a civil war excludes that city?

Is is based on the total numbers or total frequency per head of capita?

Is it based on one year's bad results or consistantly been at the top of measured charts be it murder or violent crime?

I would suspect you may get different answers depending on the selection criteria you use.

Based on murders per head of population, Medellin in Columbia held the title for most of the nineties and the early part of this century.

New Orleans held it in 93,94,95 and 96.

Kinston, Jamacia won the title in 2005.

Caracas, Venezuela took the honours for 2008 with 160 murders per 100,000 population and way ahead of the next three places which are Cape Town (62), South Africa; New Orleans (95); and Port Moresby (54), Papua New Guinea.
 
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