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do you know what the Bilderbergroup is? ok, i suppose you think its ok for all the major heads of government, business, monarchies to meet every year and set secret agendas... i suppose you think this is nothing to be concerned about?
i had not seen this link from you, ill ignore the fact it doesnt state or at least i cant see some of the promises on their that he made for just now and take one point in which this website advises 'promise kept', but infact this website engages in some semantical shenanigans in which the promise changed from 'immediate removal of troops from Iraq' to 'order the commanders to end war in Iraq'
now then, lets take a look at the reality of the situation, In the Obama Deception it has the Fox News shot of his speech when he clearly says 'if i become president i will remove all troops immedieatly'
now lets check out what the reality is:
you still havent said specifically what you want me to prove lol, im not going to create a complete general bibliography of Obama's life for you, i am going to prove to you any SPECIFIC point you may want to bring up and dispute.
i am questioning the authority of that website, not to mention the missing promises but as noted before they are distorting what his promise was and the reality. i.e. they are saying promise kept for 'ordering the commanders to end the iraq war' - well thats funny because his promise was to remove all troops from iraq immeadilty and as noted before they plan to leave a 'residual force of up to 50,000' lol.. as i have said time and time again, the US did not build bases bigger than the Vatican to just give them to the native Iraqi's.
and just to clarify the situation, he has fudged on this prmoise over and over again, initially it was 'an immediate withdrawl', even his website said 'immediete' then it was 16 months and now its 24 months... the point i am continually making here is Obama says one thing, and then does another.
heres another random article i found documenting his 'promise' and use of 'not in 12 months not in 6 months but immediatley' quote.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mediate-withdrawal-US-combat-troops-Iraq.html
oh yeah, you get to flame me by calling me names and slandering me and as soon as i raise to the bait and call you a ''muppet'' and consequently own you in a debate you dissapear from that thread, i get suspended for the weekend and my posts dissapear leaving all your ones.. i suppose that is one way to win your debates.
lol, im not saying that this is proof of an international conspiracy, the proof of that is all around you every day... what i am saying is this is a promise he broke.
are you just begining to follow Obama? i have been following him before he threw his hat into the Primaries, and as stated above he originally said 'immediately' and then he said 16 months and now he says 24 months... i guess you could argue, that if i promised to bake you a cake for tommorow and then when tommorow came around i said i would do it for next week, and then half way trhough that week i then said i would do it next month, in my opinion changing a promise is breaking a promise.
ill admit my use of the wordsd 'forced through' was a bit strong, luckily the limp wristed congress still has some say, but my point was that the bailouts would have probably never of passed if it wasnt for his cheerleading and doom mongering (also known as Financial Terrorism).
http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKTRE50C6UN20090113
yes i know exactly what dictatorial means, do you?
do you know what Presidential Directive 51 means?
In any case, none of what you're written here provides any evidence for the claim that Obama is somehow linked to an evil plot by the Bilderberg Group, so what's your point?
do you know what the Bilderbergroup is? ok, i suppose you think its ok for all the major heads of government, business, monarchies to meet every year and set secret agendas... i suppose you think this is nothing to be concerned about?
But you haven't demonstrated that Obama has actually made any u-turns in policy. Now, I've tried to help you by posting a source which lists all of his campaign promises, and that source even states that he has broken three of those promises (see the link here). What you need to do is read that list, identify the promises which relate to the argument you're making, and show that those promises have not been kept. Until you do that, you don't actually have a case.
i had not seen this link from you, ill ignore the fact it doesnt state or at least i cant see some of the promises on their that he made for just now and take one point in which this website advises 'promise kept', but infact this website engages in some semantical shenanigans in which the promise changed from 'immediate removal of troops from Iraq' to 'order the commanders to end war in Iraq'
now then, lets take a look at the reality of the situation, In the Obama Deception it has the Fox News shot of his speech when he clearly says 'if i become president i will remove all troops immedieatly'
now lets check out what the reality is:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/obamas-website-says-nothing-ab.php said:Obama's website says nothing about speaking to commanders on the ground
July 3, 2008, 11:22PM
What does www.barackobama.com tell us about Obama's plan to withdraw our troops from Iraq?
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
Do you see any reference to the importance of the opinion of generals on the ground? No, because this plan was written during the primaries, wherein the main target were liberals, as opposed to the General Elections, where moderates are seen as the most important block.
Obama is your typical politician.
I've told you what I want you to prove. I want you to provide evidence for every single one of the claims made by Alex Jones in his little movie. That's all I'm asking for.
you still havent said specifically what you want me to prove lol, im not going to create a complete general bibliography of Obama's life for you, i am going to prove to you any SPECIFIC point you may want to bring up and dispute.
I also want you to provide a list of campaign promises that Obama has broken (and please realise that I agree he has broken some of them) and cross-reference them to that online "campaign promise" checklist, so we can both be sure that you're actually talking about legitimate campaign promises which were actually made.
i am questioning the authority of that website, not to mention the missing promises but as noted before they are distorting what his promise was and the reality. i.e. they are saying promise kept for 'ordering the commanders to end the iraq war' - well thats funny because his promise was to remove all troops from iraq immeadilty and as noted before they plan to leave a 'residual force of up to 50,000' lol.. as i have said time and time again, the US did not build bases bigger than the Vatican to just give them to the native Iraqi's.
and just to clarify the situation, he has fudged on this prmoise over and over again, initially it was 'an immediate withdrawl', even his website said 'immediete' then it was 16 months and now its 24 months... the point i am continually making here is Obama says one thing, and then does another.
heres another random article i found documenting his 'promise' and use of 'not in 12 months not in 6 months but immediatley' quote.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mediate-withdrawal-US-combat-troops-Iraq.html
Er, no. You broke the rules by repeatedly insulting me, and I complained to one of the moderators, who subsequently acted on my complaint. I didn't ask anyone to delete your posts or ban you. That was the moderator's decision; not mine.
oh yeah, you get to flame me by calling me names and slandering me and as soon as i raise to the bait and call you a ''muppet'' and consequently own you in a debate you dissapear from that thread, i get suspended for the weekend and my posts dissapear leaving all your ones.. i suppose that is one way to win your debates.
Well, I don't know about "filled". I haven't seen any evidence of that. But I am certain that there's plenty of lobbyists in his staff (or at least people connected to lobbyists). Every government does this, unfortunately. It doesn't prove that they're part of an international conspiracy.
lol, im not saying that this is proof of an international conspiracy, the proof of that is all around you every day... what i am saying is this is a promise he broke.
That's correct; he has not. These things take time; you can't withdraw troops overnight, and Obama didn't say that he would. He committed to a phased withdrawal over time, which is precisely what he is doing.
are you just begining to follow Obama? i have been following him before he threw his hat into the Primaries, and as stated above he originally said 'immediately' and then he said 16 months and now he says 24 months... i guess you could argue, that if i promised to bake you a cake for tommorow and then when tommorow came around i said i would do it for next week, and then half way trhough that week i then said i would do it next month, in my opinion changing a promise is breaking a promise.
He hasn't "forced through" any bailout packages.
ill admit my use of the wordsd 'forced through' was a bit strong, luckily the limp wristed congress still has some say, but my point was that the bailouts would have probably never of passed if it wasnt for his cheerleading and doom mongering (also known as Financial Terrorism).
http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKTRE50C6UN20090113
What "dictatorial powers" are you referring to? Do you know what "dictatorial" means? And what campaign promises has Obama performed a "complete 180" on? I've given you a link to a comprehensive list, so it shouldn't be hard for you to specify them.
yes i know exactly what dictatorial means, do you?
do you know what Presidential Directive 51 means?
Presidential Directive 51 said:National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive
NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51
HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20
Subject: National Continuity Policy
Purpose
(1) This directive establishes a comprehnsive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.
Definitions
(2) In this directive:
(a) "Category" refers to the categories of executive departments and agencies listed in Annex A to this directive;
(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;
(c) "Continuity of Government," or "COG," means a coordinated effort within the Federal Government's executive branch to ensure that National Essential Functions continue to be performed during a Catastrophic Emergency;
(d) "Continuity of Operations," or "COOP," means an effort within individual executive departments and agencies to ensure that Primary Mission-Essential Functions continue to be performed during a wide range of emergencies, including localized acts of nature, accidents, and technological or attack-related emergencies;
(e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;
(f) "Executive Departments and Agencies" means the executive departments enumerated in 5 U.S.C. 101, independent establishments as defined by 5 U.S.C. 104(1), Government corporations as defined by 5 U.S.C. 103(1), and the United States Postal Service;
(g) "Government Functions" means the collective functions of the heads of executive departments and agencies as defined by statute, regulation, presidential direction, or other legal authority, and the functions of the legislative and judicial branches;
(h) "National Essential Functions," or "NEFs," means that subset of Government Functions that are necessary to lead and sustain the Nation during a catastrophic emergency and that, therefore, must be supported through COOP and COG capabilities; and
(i) "Primary Mission Essential Functions," or "PMEFs," means those Government Functions that must be performed in order to support or implement the performance of NEFs before, during, and in the aftermath of an emergency.
Policy
(3) It is the policy of the United States to maintain a comprehensive and effective continuity capability composed of Continuity of Operations and Continuity of Government programs in order to ensure the preservation of our form of government under the Constitution and the continuing performance of National Essential Functions under all conditions.
Implementation Actions
(4) Continuity requirements shall be incorporated into daily operations of all executive departments and agencies. As a result of the asymmetric threat environment, adequate warning of potential emergencies that could pose a significant risk to the homeland might not be available, and therefore all continuity planning shall be based on the assumption that no such warning will be received. Emphasis will be placed upon geographic dispersion of leadership, staff, and infrastructure in order to increase survivability and maintain uninterrupted Government Functions. Risk management principles shall be applied to ensure that appropriate operational readiness decisions are based on the probability of an attack or other incident and its consequences.
(5) The following NEFs are the foundation for all continuity programs and capabilities and represent the overarching responsibilities of the Federal Government to lead and sustain the Nation during a crisis, and therefore sustaining the following NEFs shall be the primary focus of
the Federal Government leadership during and in the aftermath of an emergency that adversely affects the performance of Government Functions:
(a) Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three separate branches of government;
(b) Providing leadership visible to the Nation and the world and maintaining the trust and confidence of the American people;
(c) Defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and preventing or interdicting attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;
(d) Maintaining and fostering effective relationships with foreign nations;
(e) Protecting against threats to the homeland and bringing to justice perpetrators of crimes or attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;
(f) Providing rapid and effective response to and recovery from the domestic consequences of an attack or other incident;
(g) Protecting and stabilizing the Nation's economy and ensuring public confidence in its financial systems; and
(h) Providing for critical Federal Government services that address the national health, safety, and welfare needs of the United States.
(6) The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination.
(7) For continuity purposes, each executive department and agency is assigned to a category in accordance with the nature and characteristics of its national security roles and
responsibilities in support of the Federal Government's ability to sustain the NEFs. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall serve as the President's lead agent for coordinating overall
continuity operations and activities of executive departments and agencies, and in such role shall perform the responsibilities set forth for the Secretary in sections 10 and 16 of this directive.
(8) The National Continuity Coordinator, in consultation with the heads of appropriate executive departments and agencies, will lead the development of a National Continuity Implementation Plan (Plan), which shall include prioritized goals and objectives, a concept of operations, performance metrics by which to measure continuity readiness, procedures for continuity and incident management activities, and clear direction to executive department and agency continuity coordinators, as well as guidance to promote interoperability of Federal Government continuity programs and procedures with State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate. The Plan shall be submitted to the President for approval not later than 90 days after the date of this directive.
(9) Recognizing that each branch of the Federal Government is responsible for its own continuity programs, an official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President shall ensure that the executive branch's COOP and COG policies in support of ECG efforts are appropriately coordinated with those of
the legislative and judicial branches in order to ensure interoperability and allocate national assets efficiently to maintain a functioning Federal Government.
(10) Federal Government COOP, COG, and ECG plans and operations shall be appropriately integrated with the emergency plans and capabilities of State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to promote interoperability and to prevent redundancies and conflicting lines of authority. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall coordinate the integration of Federal continuity plans and operations with State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to provide for the delivery of essential services during an emergency.
(11) Continuity requirements for the Executive Office of the President (EOP) and executive departments and agencies shall include the following:
(a) The continuation of the performance of PMEFs during any emergency must be for a period up to 30 days or until normal operations can be resumed, and the capability to be fully operational at alternate sites as soon as possible after the occurrence of an emergency, but not later than 12 hours after COOP activation;
(b) Succession orders and pre-planned devolution of authorities that ensure the emergency delegation of authority must be planned and documented in advance in accordance with applicable law;
(c) Vital resources, facilities, and records must be safeguarded, and official access to them must be provided;
(d) Provision must be made for the acquisition of the resources necessary for continuity operations on an emergency basis;
(e) Provision must be made for the availability and redundancy of critical communications capabilities at alternate sites in order to support connectivity between
and among key government leadership, internal elements, other executive departments and agencies, critical partners, and the public;
(f) Provision must be made for reconstitution capabilities that allow for recovery from a catastrophic emergency and resumption of normal operations; and
(g) Provision must be made for the identification, training, and preparedness of personnel capable of relocating to alternate facilities to support the continuation of the performance of PMEFs.
(12) In order to provide a coordinated response to escalating threat levels or actual emergencies, the Continuity of Government Readiness Conditions (COGCON) system establishes executive branch continuity program readiness levels, focusing
on possible threats to the National Capital Region. The President will determine and issue the COGCON Level. Executive departments and agencies shall comply with the requirements and
assigned responsibilities under the COGCON program. During COOP activation, executive departments and agencies shall report their readiness status to the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Secretary's designee.
(13) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget shall:
(a) Conduct an annual assessment of executive department and agency continuity funding requests and performance data that are submitted by executive departments and agencies as part of the annual budget request process, in order to monitor progress in the implementation of the Plan and the execution of continuity budgets;
(b) In coordination with the National Continuity Coordinator, issue annual continuity planning guidance for the development of continuity budget requests; and
(c) Ensure that heads of executive departments and agencies prioritize budget resources for continuity capabilities, consistent with this directive.
(14) The Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy shall:
(a) Define and issue minimum requirements for continuity communications for executive departments and agencies, in consultation with the APHS/CT, the APNSA, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the Chief of Staff to the President;
(b) Establish requirements for, and monitor the development, implementation, and maintenance of, a comprehensive communications architecture to integrate continuity components, in consultation with the APHS/CT, the APNSA, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the Chief of Staff to the President; and
(c) Review quarterly and annual assessments of continuity communications capabilities, as prepared pursuant to section 16(d) of this directive or otherwise, and report the results and recommended remedial actions to the National Continuity Coordinator.
(15) An official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President shall:
(a) Advise the President, the Chief of Staff to the President, the APHS/CT, and the APNSA on COGCON operational execution options; and
(b) Consult with the Secretary of Homeland Security in order to ensure synchronization and integration of continuity activities among the four categories of executive departments and agencies.
(16) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall:
(a) Coordinate the implementation, execution, and assessment of continuity operations and activities;
(b) Develop and promulgate Federal Continuity Directives in order to establish continuity planning requirements for executive departments and agencies;
(c) Conduct biennial assessments of individual department and agency continuity capabilities as prescribed by the Plan and report the results to the President through the APHS/CT;
(d) Conduct quarterly and annual assessments of continuity communications capabilities in consultation with an official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President;
(e) Develop, lead, and conduct a Federal continuity training and exercise program, which shall be incorporated into the National Exercise Program developed pursuant to Homeland Security Presidential Directive-8 of December 17, 2003 ("National Preparedness"), in consultation with an
official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President;
(f) Develop and promulgate continuity planning guidance to State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector critical infrastructure owners and operators;
(g) Make available continuity planning and exercise funding, in the form of grants as provided by law, to State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector critical infrastructure owners and operators; and
(h) As Executive Agent of the National Communications System, develop, implement, and maintain a comprehensive continuity communications architecture.
(17) The Director of National Intelligence, in coordination with the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall produce a biennial assessment of the foreign and domestic threats to the Nation's continuity of government.
(18) The Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall provide secure, integrated, Continuity of Government communications to the President, the Vice President, and, at a minimum, Category I executive departments and agencies.
(19) Heads of executive departments and agencies shall execute their respective department or agency COOP plans in response to a localized emergency and shall:
(a) Appoint a senior accountable official, at the Assistant Secretary level, as the Continuity Coordinator for the department or agency;
(b) Identify and submit to the National Continuity Coordinator the list of PMEFs for the department or agency and develop continuity plans in support of the NEFs and the continuation of essential functions under all conditions;
(c) Plan, program, and budget for continuity capabilities consistent with this directive;
(d) Plan, conduct, and support annual tests and training, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, in order to evaluate program readiness and ensure adequacy and viability of continuity plans and communications systems; and
(e) Support other continuity requirements, as assigned by category, in accordance with the nature and characteristics of its national security roles and responsibilities
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