Legal system at it's best...

[Azagoth]

Certainly seems to imply here that a case appeared in court the day after an assault? Now if they had pleaded guilty might they not have been charged there and then?

You're reading it wrong, they assaulted the landlord of a pub where they drinking the previous night, not that the assault occurred the previous night to the court case.

Your profile says you're 41 years old, surely a man of your years can see where the bull**** is in this story you've been told.

 

[Tummy]

Certainly seems to imply here that a case appeared in court the day after an assault? Now if they had pleaded guilty might they not have been charged there and then?

What Aza said.

That was a seperate assualt, you're original post says she assaulted the mugger who was trying to get her money.

Now, call me stupid, but if you're being mugged and you punch one of them in self defense, you're not going to be treated the same as if it was two young men attacking a pub landlord ?
The Police will have to inviestigate the mugging, now as the two incidents are related, i,e she wouldn't of punched this woman if she wans't being assualted, because they are LINKED, so it will fall under one ONE YES ONE investigation.

a 41 year old really belives all this ?

 

[NeilF]

You're reading it wrong, they assaulted the landlord of a pub where they drinking the previous night, not that the assault occurred the previous night to the court case.

Your profile says you're 41 years old, surely a man of your years can see where the bull**** is in this story you've been told.

Ummm... I'm afraid the glory of the English language enables you to read that sentence with either meaning. But yes you might be right, it might mean that... So the jury is still out

As for the story being bull****, it may very well be, but I've yet to see anything to really ring my alarm bells. You're suggesting someone who you've never even met is a liar. Where as I'm suggesting I trust someone I've know for ten or so years, enough to believe them. And as for it being just me, I suggest you add a lot more people to the list of people who believe him. Not a single person in the office for example doubts him. And we've heard phone conversations and the such occurring. His wife (a head mistress at a Catholic school) would also have to be lying as well!

Anyway, I guess the being convicted so soon after the event is most peoples issue is? I can see that... Hopefully someone with enough (real) knowledge can put it to bed!


ps: Can we please try and remain vaguely adult rather than trying to throw person insults around?

 

[Tummy]

A friend at work has a nanny who looks after their four children some days. Last wednesday she went to a cash point to withdraw her rent for her landlord (£500).

Soon after this she noticed she was being jossled and bussled by two women, and they tried to steal her money. She put up a fight and managed to deck one of them by using the mobile phone in her hand. The other managed to get away with her money.

Woman takes out money, two people try to get said money.
Woman defends herself, hitting one of the two attackers and the other gets away.

The police turned up and took the nanny and the other thief back to the station. As the thief had been injured in the 'fight', they asked if she wished to press charges, which she said yes to.

The nanny spent the rest of the day in a cell and was let out in the evening understanding it was a closed case - all done!

So the nanny was then arrested for assualt ?
The attacker was not questioned in relation to the mugging ? or how she came to be assaulted, in the victims statement she would have said she acted in self defense, so no it wouldn't of being treated as a simple assult.

The police in order to charge the victim would have to come to the conclusion that she acted with too much force.
To do this they would need to review the case, speak to people who saw the event and take into account the attack on the victim.

Next morning she got a call from the station saying she had to go in. On arriving she was informed she had been appointed a lawyer and was appearing in court. Obviously she was still very upset from the day before, yet alone the idea of now appearing in court on a charge of assault, and further more English is a second language for her. The lawyer told her to just plead guilty, which she did...

She now has a criminal record (not good for a nanny), a £250 fine, and is a months rent down.

The thieves have £500, and big smiles on their faces.

That doesn't happen.
English isn't her first language, the would have had someone to translate.
The lawyer wasn't a very good one if he told her to plead guilty to a self denfense claim, she acted to protect herself whist she was the victim of another crime, she hasn't done much wrong.

Next day, for the police to decide the charges, and it to get to court. haha

 

[Le_Petit_Lapin]

Why did the fool plead that they were guilty?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I still want to know why the second mugger stayed around for the police when the other had run away?

 

[Azagoth]

Why did the fool plead that they were guilty?

They didn't, it's all made up in somebody's mind.

 

[NeilF]

Why did the fool plead that they were guilty?

I have no idea, but I imagine after having been robbed? being upset? having English as a second language? finding yourself in some rather alien situations (locked up & on trial)? and a solicitor recommending you do something, there's a chance you might just take the 'advice' without fully thinking about it (or truly understanding it)?


Anyway, it's clear some people don't believe these events so we're playing ping pong. As and when any further info turns up (which ever side of the table it's on), I'll post it here

But guys, can I please ask that we try and keep some sort of adult perspective here. I understand some of you are skeptical, and I fully understand why, but please understand that just reading some events, detached on an internet forum, is entirely different to actually hearing them first-hand from someone you know (well). Cheers...

 

[Brian Stuart]

Ummm Tummy, see what you think of this?

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/about_j...icial_profiles/day_in_life_of/magistrates.htm

The third case involves two 19-year-old men, charged with assaulting the landlord of the pub where they had been drinking the previous night. We are told that they are not ready to enter a plea, as evidence has not been disclosed. The case will therefore be adjourned, but we have to consider whether or not we are prepared to grant bail.​

Certainly seems to imply here that a case appeared in court the day after an assault? Now if they had pleaded guilty might they not have been charged there and then?

After a person has been interviewed under caution and charged with an offense they will appear in court the next day, sometimes the same day, for magistrates to either remand or give bail. You can appear in court the next day but not for a hearing. After bail or remand has been decided the case will be adjourned for 2 weeks for the CPS and the defense to do their respective work. That is the way it happens.

 

[Tummy]

If you told me this story and I'd known you for a million years, I'd have the same reaction, I'd cough, because I'm allergic to bull****.

 

[NeilF]

If you told me this story and I'd known you for a million years, I'd have the same reaction, I'd cough, because I'm allergic to bull****.

*sigh* Fair enough... So basically you're saying people you don't know are lying?

But let's address your astute little observation? So he's lied to everyone he knows - People in his personal life and professional life? For what gain? Why would he do that? Is his wife (a head mistress) in on it too? She must be because people in the office speak to her.

So now you're saying with all your indepth knowledge of the matter and people, that intelligent, professional people (one being a head mistress at a catholic school) are out and out lying? For what gain?


Anyway... Ping... Pong... Ping... Pong... Let's just leave it until something new breaks with the story

 

[Tummy]

*sigh* Fair enough... So basically you're saying people you don't know are lying?

But let's address your astute little observation? So he's lied to everyone he knows - People in his personal life and professional life? For what gain? Why would he do that? Is his wife (a head mistress) in on it too? She must be because people in the office speak to her.

So now you're saying with all your indepth knowledge of the matter and people, that intelligent, professional people (one being a head mistress at a catholic school) are out and out lying? For what gain?


Anyway... Ping... Pong... Ping... Pong... Let's just leave it until something new breaks with the story

please, just because you hold a job that is considered high in society doesn't make you immune to lieing.

People lie, to amuse themselves, to get themselves out of trouble, lots of reasons, what is worse is that you believe something that has so many problems.

You've not addressed the questions ?
Why don't you ask your "trusted" friend ?

Why did the "attacker" stay around to report an assault against herself, when she was assualted trying to commit a crime ?
Why was there no translator for the "victim" ?
Why Why Why...

I don't know why you've posted this, maybe you're bored ? maybe you want to amuse you'reself by making something up to create an argument on the forums ?
I don't really know.

As a 41 year old, this isn't something I expected This is something I expected from plat 87

Enjoy you're trolling my friend

I don't believe a thing you've said, because I think you're lieing
You're "story" doesn't add up, next time spend more time thinking up a decent story

 

[Azagoth]

So now you're saying with all your indepth knowledge of the matter and people, that intelligent, professional people (one being a head mistress at a catholic school) are out and out lying? For what gain?

So going by that argument, are you're saying that politicians don't lie either?

 

[Le_Petit_Lapin]

(one being a head mistress at a catholic school)

So....is she fit?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I don't think Neil is lying and I don't know anything about how the legal system works.
What I do know and have a lot of experience of, is that people in high positions (his workmate) will consistently tell lies because they don't want to feel foolish when they realise they have said something stupid.
I've had 100s of managers who would never admit they were wrong.

 

[NeilF]

please, just because you hold a job that is considered high in society doesn't make you immune to lieing.

People lie, to amuse themselves, to get themselves out of trouble, lots of reasons, what is worse is that you believe something that has so many problems.

You've not addressed the questions ?
Why don't you ask your "trusted" friend ?

Why did the "attacker" stay around to report an assault against herself, when she was assualted trying to commit a crime ?
Why was there no translator for the "victim" ?
Why Why Why...

I don't know why you've posted this, maybe you're bored ? maybe you want to amuse you'reself by making something up to create an argument on the forums ?
I don't really know.

As a 41 year old, this isn't something I expected This is something I expected from plat 87

Enjoy you're trolling my friend

I don't believe a thing you've said, because I think you're lieing
You're "story" doesn't add up, next time spend more time thinking up a decent story

Tummy, it's past your bedtime I'm sure. Seriously how childish can you get!

 

[likwid]

Hopefully someone with enough (real) knowledge can put it to bed!

A policeman and a court official did that on the first page.

 

[NeilF]

A policeman and a court official did that on the first page.

I know that sounds good when you say it. And picking and choosing (or making stuff up) might back up your comments... But try and behave a little more rationally rather what appears to be a little mission for yourself and you might realise:-
a) Didn't I ask them if they were certain? And nothing more was really forthcoming?
b) As regards your court official, didn't they themselves suggest, 'I am not legally trained I have no idea if it could happen'.

Anyway, please go away!

I don't think Neil is lying and I don't know anything about how the legal system works.
What I do know and have a lot of experience of, is that people in high positions (his workmate) will consistently tell lies because they don't want to feel foolish when they realise they have said something stupid.
I've had 100s of managers who would never admit they were wrong.

Thanks!

Possibly there's a lie afoot, but his wife must also be in on it. So now we're assuming two people of lying. Not impossible, but there seems to be no reason for it, and all behaviour and circumstantial facts seem to back it up. ie: Phone calls, people behaving stunned & amazed out what's happened to their nanny etc.

If there's a lie in here I'd be just as interested (as some of the trolls) to find it, as in many ways (for me personally) it's more interesting than if it's all true

Anyway, I suspect some of the trolls will be continuing with their silly little childish armchair antics - incapable of just having a simple conversation - so I'll bow out until any further news arises.

Cheers...

 

[likwid]

After a person has been interviewed under caution and charged with an offense they will appear in court the next day, sometimes the same day, for magistrates to either remand or give bail. You can appear in court the next day but not for a hearing. After bail or remand has been decided the case will be adjourned for 2 weeks for the CPS and the defense to do their respective work. That is the way it happens.

Seems pretty straight forward.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Hmmm, I've just rang a mate up who drives and escorts for Premier Prison Services who basically escort prisoners from police stations, straight to court and then on to prison if necessary.
He says his main clients are people who have been arrested up to 2 nights before or even that morning and taken straight to court.

In his words -
I'll go to Hanley Police Station and I'm given a prisoner (or prisoners) straight out of the cell and in handcuffs.
I'll be given documentation and then I'll escort them onto the van.
I transport them to court (usually Fenton where OCUK is) and take them off the van and depending on the risk I will take their handcuffs off.
Sometimes at this point they run away but I haven't had too many but the next time I have them the handcuffs stay on.
I've become an expert in communication and I calm the majority down.
Most of the time they walk free from court with a fine and usually thank me for being friendly but sometimes I go straight to prison with them which can be anywhere.
It's a good job you (dmpoole) didn't accept the job because you would have had to give your band up (yes I was offered this job around 2002).

Anyway, according to him it does happen.