BARCELONA Grand Prix 2009 - Race 5/17
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if he had pitted with 10laps to go, he would have dropped 2 places, but only 4-5 seconds behind alonso. He would have also been able to put Soft tyres back on, which was 2seconds a lap faster than the Hards.
he would have gone past Alonso like a Brawn goes past Force Indias... With absolute ease.
I've never said that.
Well, forgive me if I read too much into your post, but you seemed to be inferring it pretty heavily with this:
Mostly because of his career record, I think! Like I said earlier;
JRS said:
Especially given that the above was achieved in a car that was in no way up to the standards of the McLaren and Ferrari (or the Renault before the dive down the grid from '07 onwards) week in-week out during the '07 and '08 seasons.
all this stuff about senna blipping the throttle through corners... wasnt that just for the turbo era cars? he did that to keep the turbo spinning so it was ready on exit?
(no idea before my time, but i read about it...)
sunama points about racing sims, i used to be great at single lap or fast 10 lap stints because the car would be controled by the throttle and braking through corners, ie id use throttle to slide the rear (i preferd oversteer) and get it into the corners, then play with the throttle/steering to keep it going the direction i needed for a good line. Only problem with that style was tyre wear and if in real life wear on other car parts. Id almost always have to stop earlier, or more times than the guys behind, which often ment id loose out. The last stint of any of my racing would be the longest, and id adopt a JB smooth style which for me personally was slower, but it had to be done to keep tyre wear down.
With JB this year you can see that when he doesnt need to "make time" he keeps his smooth style, which keeps the tyres in very good condition (as does the car), and when he needs it he switches style and does quali style laps like in Malaysia where he went from 3rd(??) to 1st in the first round of stops simply by doing 1second faster laps when he needed it most. And since he had kept the tyres fresher he was able to do this with ease.
Its about using the different styles when they are needed, all the greats could do this, some better than others.
(no idea before my time, but i read about it...)
sunama points about racing sims, i used to be great at single lap or fast 10 lap stints because the car would be controled by the throttle and braking through corners, ie id use throttle to slide the rear (i preferd oversteer) and get it into the corners, then play with the throttle/steering to keep it going the direction i needed for a good line. Only problem with that style was tyre wear and if in real life wear on other car parts. Id almost always have to stop earlier, or more times than the guys behind, which often ment id loose out. The last stint of any of my racing would be the longest, and id adopt a JB smooth style which for me personally was slower, but it had to be done to keep tyre wear down.
With JB this year you can see that when he doesnt need to "make time" he keeps his smooth style, which keeps the tyres in very good condition (as does the car), and when he needs it he switches style and does quali style laps like in Malaysia where he went from 3rd(??) to 1st in the first round of stops simply by doing 1second faster laps when he needed it most. And since he had kept the tyres fresher he was able to do this with ease.
Its about using the different styles when they are needed, all the greats could do this, some better than others.
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He would have blipped the throttle going down the (fully manual) gearbox to smooth the changes and avoid crunching something vital in the transmission, mainly. I know Schumacher used to blip the throttle when changing down through the gears on the semi-auto, I just figured that he had it programmed to change gear in a certain way and it required him to play with the throttle a bit.
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When I get home I'll dig out the quotes from Sir Stirling Moss on how he got the best out of cornering in the '50s. He was pretty much one of the pioneers of trail-braking (braking while you're turning into the corner) and probably the first driver to ever really consider that you could deliberately put the car into an unstable position so you'd be ahead of it when that instability actually occurred thus making you quicker.
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As I say, I seem to remember from the on-screen telemetry that the throttle indicator on Schumacher's car would always be dancing around in the braking zone of corners as he went down the gears, even in the computer-controlled semi auto era. I always figured he had it programmed that way.
I would imagine it's still there. The teams would have used it under the excuse that keeping it in helps them run components for longer without risking damage. The ECU is standard but I still think it doesn't let you select the wrong gear for the wrong revs.
Hakkinen is the last driver I can remember selecting the wrong gear coming into a corner. Personally I think they should bring that sort of control back to the drivers. I'm sure that would aid overtaking as well rather than perfect instant gear changes.
It was ECU controlled, this was an ECU that knew where it was and altered the mapping for each and every corner on a gp circuit. All hands off with no driver input.
Electronically the Ferrari was 5 years ahead of anything else on the grid. Its the electronics Toyota were after when they robbed the plans.
This article highlights just how good it was, particularly on p2 of this...
http://pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php?fes_art_id=26514
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Ferrari have announced they will quit Formula 1 at the end of the season if the sport continues with plans to adopt a £40m budget cap from 2010.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8044860.stm
what a bunch children..
"No F1 in 2010 if the rules do not change," read a statement. "Ferrari does not intend to register cars for the 2010 F1 world championship."
make my day and leave and dont ever come back to F1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8044860.stm
what a bunch children..
"No F1 in 2010 if the rules do not change," read a statement. "Ferrari does not intend to register cars for the 2010 F1 world championship."
make my day and leave and dont ever come back to F1
Oh, blob off....so it's childish to want to participate in a decent motorsport rather than an emasculated, botched mess?
And you can add Red Bull (and by extension Torro Rosso) to the list of "children" who think that the FIA plan is madness and want no part of it. Toyota want no part of it. Mercedes are always reviewing their participation so might well decide to call it quits at this point. Are they all being childish, or is it just The Almighty Satanic Evil That Is Ferrari™?
/breathes
Of course it's tuff luck. f1 should never be cheap. It's an expensive sport and that's that. Raise the money or go away and race single car series.
They get me madFerrari go on about fear the evolution of a two-tier championship
when its OK for them to spend £100mil+ but the people like brawn who
has not got that kind of cash well its tuff ****
F1 owes nobody a living, and if you cannot stand the heat you should vacate the cooking area. If a team can no longer afford to compete then they shouldn't compete, no-one is forcing them to.
Are you seriously telling me that you support the idea of a frappin' budget cap in Formula ******* One, the supposed pinnacle of motorsport? Really? And you honestly think Ferrari's fears about a two-tier championship have absolutely nothing in them?
So your saying a sport for the rich only?
or are your and cry baby F1 teams SCARED of a no name no money
team coming in and kicking ass? because thats what it sounds like to me.
Well arnt Ferrari and the rest MAKING a two-tier F1
Ferrari=spend what we like when we like because we will cry if we cant.
Brawn and JB are all for the cap and if they can/will do why cant Ferrari?
Ferrari are addmiting they have no designers or engineers left now Brawn has gone
so all they can do is throw loads of money around or cry.
what s tuupid statment, it is a sport for teh rich. You can not get around hat. I don't care if a new team came in and dominated that's the whole point of f1. if you have the better car, you have the better car. But to make it a low budget sport is just pure madness.
And you obvious aren't an f1 fan with that statement. sport for the rich ha-ha
You'll find that some teams are in favour of a cap, but not at that price and certainly not for the two tier system.
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