Poll: Who will you vote for next General Election

[semi-pro waster]

A Scot who doesn't think that his fellow countrymen are capable of running their own affairs, doesn't think we can survive without the aid of another country, doesn't see that we have been downtrodden for many generations and doesn't have the nerve to vote to free his country is a traitor to everything our ancestors fought and strived for - a free and independent country.

Do you think the World is the same as it was in our ancestors day? Do we face the same pressures, are all our goals the same? Should they necessarily remain the same irrespective of the change that has occurred in the World? Are we oppressed and subjugated?

If you think that the answer to all those questions is "yes" then I'd probably agree you have a point, if the answer to any of those questions is "no" then your claim is somewhat more dubious.

It really is not interfering. It is quite the opposite, it is letting the market decide.

It is interference in the sense that the market had a level (with the nationalised industries) and that was changed by the Government of the day, they put a metaphorical spoke in the wheel and that changed the market. If you want to argue about whether they should have had to or whether the market should have contained nationalised industries in the first place then that is a bit of a different argument.

Labour ain't perfect by a long shot but atleast they are human.

If "to err is human..." then I'd have to grant you that our current crop of politicians almost all seem very human indeed.

 

[Berserker]

I don't know is the answer. My local MP (Conservative) won't be appearing in any Telegraph witch hunt because his sum total second homes claim has been £6,873.87 since he was elected (all of that claimed in the first year). That at least makes him still electable. Round here, I've heard his name far more often than I ever did his Lib Dem predecessor, though that could be because there are a few local issues I've been involved with. Problem is, it's Conservatives or Lib Dems here.

Labour - The devil we do all know

Conservative - We'll sit down, because we don't stand for anything unless it's not what the others are doing.

Lib Dems - We'll turn if we want to. This party is for (U-)turning.

:/

Edit - correction - local MP claimed £6,873.87 (council tax, TV license, utilities, and solicitors fees), all during his first year after being elected and has claimed £0 since.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I don't know why people complain about Thatcher in regards to the staple industries, they were dying in the uk, she did what was needed to be honest and more was needed to be done to push the uk into new markets. Such as New York State persuading AMD to build a 6 billion dollar fab there with tax breaks and incentives, which still creates a ridiculous amount of new jobs of which all of those pay tax and spend money, buy houses which are required to be built.

For decades the UK needed to have been actively and VERY aggressively persuading new companies to open manufacturing plants in more advanced area's. As countries like the Uk/US/Germany get richer the people don't want to work as miners anymore, they want to go to uni and get into the tech sector, it, etc,etc but for decades we've been losing jobs in mining and really not expanding the manufacturer or anything new, so the jobs we lost haven't been replaced.

The thing is I see no party talking about creating new jobs, except labour who will continue to making millions of public sector jobs out of thin air, that aren't needed and are paid for out of the same tax levels, spending increases, defecit increases, debt increases and the country's economy gets weaker.

Mining was dying/dead and Thatcher didn't do anything wrong. Well the key thing she did wrong was underestimating the internet, there was a plan many many years ago for was it 600million to pay to upgrade the uk to fibre, but was deemed too expensive and not needed, the same plan today would cost most likely 10's of billions and also cause so much downtime to so many internet based companies that its not really feasible anymore. Then again, had she wanted to she would have been faught for years on it as it was a big cost and no one thought it was that needed.

I simply can't see a single party idea that even remotely comes close to addressing the economic situation, duck and cover and pray we get through it seems to be most parties idea, Labours is spend our way into ridiculous debt while creating more jobs paid via tax money that we don't need.

 

[elroberto]

As much as Labour annoy me I will never vote Conservative.

I just don't get it. Cameron is a toff, from a rich family and has never been through what 90% of the population has and simply doesn't understand or care.

All his cabinet went to Eton which says it all really. He is looking out for his fellow old money cronies. Keeping the money with them.

Even if I was a self made wealthy business man I wouldn't vote for him because of this. and as a working class I definitely will not.

I really think education is the key, and I really disagree with privatisation in this area, do we want kids from bad backgrounds getting an even worse education? Do you honestly think that will help or will it just be more money for the now privatised prisons?

Labour ain't perfect by a long shot but atleast they are human.

Semms like you're the snob, not Cameron. Let's see, married man with young family, wife has her own career, has spent large periods of the last few years in NHS hospitals due to hi son's ill-health before his tragic death recently. You're right, how could he possibly relate to the man in the street? And Labour more human? Have you seen the way Brown acts, he's so disconnected from public life it's silly!

 

[atpbx]

As much as Labour annoy me I will never vote Conservative.

I just don't get it. Cameron is a toff, from a rich family and has never been through what 90% of the population has and simply doesn't understand or care.

All his cabinet went to Eton which says it all really. He is looking out for his fellow old money cronies. Keeping the money with them.

Even if I was a self made wealthy business man I wouldn't vote for him because of this. and as a working class I definitely will not.

I really think education is the key, and I really disagree with privatisation in this area, do we want kids from bad backgrounds getting an even worse education? Do you honestly think that will help or will it just be more money for the now privatised prisons?

Labour ain't perfect by a long shot but atleast they are human.

Where do you think labour MPs went to be educated?

Why do you think Mandelson keeps getting back in? Tonys old room mate? surely not?

Have a think about why having every child in country coming out of school with a sack full of GCSE's and meaningless A levels and degrees is such a good thing.

Then come back and tell us all why.

 

[starfighter]

Where do you think labour MPs went to be educated?

Why do you think Mandelson keeps getting back in? Tonys old room mate? surely not?

Have a think about why having every child in country coming out of school with a sack full of GCSE's and meaningless A levels and degrees is such a good thing.

Then come back and tell us all why.

As I said Labour aren't perfect and I will probably vote Lib Debs just for the change but would still prefer Labour to the Tories.

I am pretty sure GCSEs are needed to get A levels, A Levels are needed to get into a decent uni and our degrees are considered high quality over seas.

Fair enough, some people do useless degrees which are never going to gain them a job, but that is freedom, while education is subsidised you will still come out in debt and working at Maccys if you do a stupid degree.

And just the general reduction in idiocy that education brings. If more people understood how the world works and things in general I think we would all be better off.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Education, Eductauon, Education.

 

[magick]

As much as Labour annoy me I will never vote Conservative.

I just don't get it. Cameron is a toff, from a rich family and has never been through what 90% of the population has and simply doesn't understand or care.

All his cabinet went to Eton which says it all really. He is looking out for his fellow old money cronies. Keeping the money with them.

Even if I was a self made wealthy business man I wouldn't vote for him because of this. and as a working class I definitely will not.

To be fair, with a outlook like that I doubt you'll ever become a self made wealthy business man.

 

[Spuderoony]

I just thought I'd quote the BNP supporters to see how many there were. These forums are (and always have been) hilariously right-wing, but the sheer number of people willing to support a blatantly racist party is staggering.

bnp

www.ukip.org

Also known as the party for shy racists. At least the BNP are open about it.

They're not racist, they have as much right to stand as any other party.

And they have nothing to do with "a war against Nazis".

Be careful though, that bandwagon is getting full.

They're not racist?! Are you a mental? Most of their councillors are either ex-National Front or still leaflet for them. The whole history of the party rose out of the ashes of fascism. And Griffin regularly invites the most notorious fascists and racists in Europe over for tea in his garden.

There is a huge amount of conclusive evidence out there to link the BNP to blatant racist ideals. Their own manifesto supports repatriation of people providing it is "humane", for goodness' sake. Go and actually read their literature before you spout such utter nonsense.

My parents want me to vote for the BNP.

UKIP Or BNP , though i wasn't impressed by BNP's political broadcast lol

BNP

Cat amongst pigeons.

BNP.

I'm voting BNP if i actually bother to vote and that's because they're the only ones who've bothered to post a leaflet through my door.

The BNP jumping at susceptible people at a socially fragile time? Surely not. Do you remember the Bradford or Oldham race riots?

Feel free to examine mine. An IQ of 143 so don't count on finding anything wrong. You on the other hand would do better to read the history of our great nation and had it not been for religious reasons, the thousands of Scots who stood against their brothers would have instead, stood side by side against an invading army.

Clearly that IQ doesn't extend to a grasp of punctuation



Aside from that lot, Labour will be embarrassed at the next election. The Tories will win by a landslide which has the potential to make 1997's look like a sandcastle slip. I'll be voting Lib Dem, as I have done before. The latest gallup poll put the Tories way out at about ~40%, but Labour on about 25 and Lib Dem on about 23. It's about time they became a viable third option for the majority of voters.

 

[magick]

Have a think about why having every child in country coming out of school with a sack full of GCSE's and meaningless A levels and degrees is such a good thing.

Then come back and tell us all why.

You can't raise the intelligence level of the masses using conventional methods so you dumb down the exams, more people pass then the government can go on about how they've improved the education system and more people are passing exams.

 

[starfighter]

To be fair, with a outlook like that I doubt you'll ever become a self made wealthy business man.

And with your outlook, you will end up in the loony bin.

 

[ajgoodfellow]

Conservatives

I could never, ever vote Labour after the disaster of the current government and of the government of the 1970s

The Lib Dems are a joke

 

[magick]

I just thought I'd quote the BNP supporters to see how many there were. These forums are (and always have been) hilariously right-wing, but the sheer number of people willing to support a blatantly racist party is staggering.

The BNP will do well. The fact is the liberal elite have ignored the white working class for to long while bending over backwards to acommodate asylum seekers and many feel the BNP is the only party that will represent them.

The signs this was going to happen have been round for a few years now, though because dubious ideologys, political correctness and the prospect of being accused of being 'racist' the core issues facing many white people have been ignored by the political class and they're now going to pay for it.

I personaly don't think groups like the BNP are the future. As the world gets smaller the idea of one race to one country is unworkable, however on the other hand for the political elite to open the floodgates to asylam seekers and migrant workers and think everthings just fine is equaly as unworkable.

I'm pretty certain many of our politicans would be the first to sell there house and move if they had lots of Somlians moving onto there street. Yet as long as it's not there neigbourhoods being flooded they think everythings ok and it's good for 'multiculturalism'.

 

[Ysmalari]

Ironing?

Ha, I assume you meant Irony!

Oh the irony.

Whooossshhh

 

[Spuderoony]

I'm pretty certain if many of our politicans would be the first to sell there house and move if they had lots of Somlians moving onto there street. Yet as long as it's not there neigbourhoods beingflooded they think everythings ok and it's good for 'multiculturalism'.

Certainly, immigration, like most things, needs to be properly managed and controlled. Something which Labour have failed at. But the repatriation of people who have been settled here with families for years, as promoted by the BNP, is just out and out racist hatred.

 

[afraser2k]

I'll be voting SNP in the next General Election unless they really screw up the Scottish budget. Should be fun when the Conservatives get in again if the SNP are in charge up here.

I don't trust David Cameron's current mob enough to risk voting for them any more than I'd vote New Labour. The Conservatives seem to keep changing their policies depending on the latest popular media outrage and New Labour have been in power too long.

Glasgow is a Labour city (too many on benefits) though and I doubt that'll ever change.

 

[I get around]

i bet your foregin.!

No, it wouldn't make a difference if i was. I'm just not a grumpy old racist *******.
I respect my fellow man based on who he is, not by skin colour, or where they come from.
Anyway, being independant of the EU would be a massive mistake, the UK can not survive on its own.

Also, they basically want to stop all immigrants coming over it's in their policies on their site, this is wrong, we should have a free world, not one run by fascists who dictate who should go where, who can work where. And you'd have to be stupid to withdraw from the EU anyway, the UK economy could not survive, if you withdraw from the EU you'd have to go to America, and I don't much fancy that, I'm english not american.

I wouldn't vote for the lib dems as I believe they would keep the floodgates open with regards to immigration. They'd also let child molesters get jobs as midwives and babysitters*

*may not be true

Daily mail much?
I have no problems with immigrants.

 

[Tombstone]

you'd have to go to America, and I don't much fancy that, I'm english not american.

I actually would love that, I'm english but frankly I would love to live in America. (preferably one of the "lesser" states like Nebraska, Wyoming or Colorado.)

 

[Things change I've changed]

Labour.

 

[caff]

Green party.