The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[Yas786]

You're right. We never had anyone to run shops or our health service before we opened the immigration floodgates. It's amazing Britain managed to be a world superpower for centuries really isn't it, considering how lazy or useless we apparently are

Seems like you are really...its the one good thing Brits are good at...moaning and doing sweet FA about it...if there was an olympic medal for that...British would win it hands down everytime.

 

[dirtydog]

What can we do about it. I'm going to vote BNP.

 

[Yas786]

What can we do about it. I'm going to vote BNP.

Which brings us back to the original question...do you really honestly believe that they can make the UK a better place??..

Because from what i have been reading...they really dont have a clue on how to run the country...i can see them getting protest votes but not enough to get them into power.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

What can we do about it. I'm going to vote BNP.

Is forcing Christian fellowship and worship in schools going to help keep immigration down? The BNP are a farce.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Ignorance is a far bigger problem than low education.

Lack of education breeds ignorance.

 

[Super Tigers]

BNP's party political broadcast has just been shown on BBC1 at 7pm, I suspect it will appeal to a lot of disillusioned voters in the UK, they focused on the British Jobs for British people angle, plenty of imagery from the 2nd World War and traditional British way of life. Also they used images of pig in suits to represent the greedy MPs, simple images but it will appeal to the average man in the street, Sun Reader, Daily Star reader, Jeremy Kyle watchers.

I suspect they will be quite successful at the coming European elections and the face of British politics will be changed.

 

[footman]

BNP's party political broadcast has just been shown on BBC1 at 7pm, I suspect it will appeal to a lot of disillusioned voters in the UK, they focused on the British Jobs for British people angle, plenty of imagery from the 2nd World War and traditional British way of life. Also they used images of pig in suits to represent the greedy MPs, simple images but it will appeal to the average man in the street, Sun Reader, Daily Star reader, Jeremy Kyle watchers.

I suspect they will be quite successful at the coming European elections and the face of British politics will be changed.

Other Western European countries have had to face the rise of fascist political groups in recent years and appear to have stood the test.
It will certainly test the maturity of the main parties but that must be a good thing.

 

[wilsky]

Most BNP voters are working class people who are also unknowledgeable or uneducated. <THIS IS MY CLAIM THAT I INTENDED TO MAKE Pretty much fact or atleast incredibly hard to dispute.

Also people can stop giving me that class warefare and generalisation bull **** the majority arguing against me are generalising people due to skin coliur (though iacknowledge nost many here) or because theyve taken Immigrants as scum at first site and wont budge on it; an undecuated, ignorant and almost mornic approach, more so than anyone could say against my claim.

I'm sorry but most blue collar workers work i nthose industries due to either lack of accademic grades (this is not a problem, but if you first fail at attaining a job look elsewhere, it really doesn't limit your choices as much as you think), i also get the idea that most working class peopel live out their lives in either similar palces all their life or mostly the one city they were born in. Sorry if i am wrong, but i feel quite confident when i assume that the demographic of the BNP voters being working class is due to these factors and them not opening their eyes and making their own decisions.

Thankfully most working class people do carry a good amount of common sense and are well grounded people and vote for a party which (well until recently unfortunatley for them) will provide for them and look afte rthem and thats labour. I understand Labour have screwed everyone over a bit now really. but the BNP is certainly not the right way to go to counter act this

Wow, you're as bigoted as the BNP. What you have said is called "class snobbery" and it arises from ignorance and prejudice. Exactly the qualities of the BNP.

 

[Super Tigers]

Other Western European countries have had to face the rise of fascist political groups in recent years and appear to have stood the test.
It will certainly test the maturity of the main parties but that must be a good thing.

Cameron is promising big changes if he gets into power, he wants to empower people. Total political spin, he wants to appear to be someone people can trust to change the political landscape, but he is just a typical leader who will promise anything to get into power. Cameron is not a reformer, Obama is not a reformer......

 

[wilsky]

The big problem with BNP supporters seems to either a lack of knowledege about the party they support, or a deliberate attempt to decieve with regards to the party. The BNP constitution clearly shows that the party discriminates by skin colour, and yet many posters in this thread seem to not know this or be unwilling to admit this.

If it's a lack of knowledge, then people really need to be researching before they state their allegience, if they are attempting to decieve, well, I suppose they are fitting in with the party line since Griffin took over, but they have to accept that people will see through their deception and call it like it is.

Actually Dolph, I think you will find that people ARE aware of the issue regarding race and the BNP. They will get the vote of people who themselves are not actually racist but who are tired of the mass immigration, the unknown number of people, the fact you cannot kick criminals out because of human rights. None of the big three seem to offer any reasonable solution. Therefore people will turn to the BNP, despite the knowledge they don't completely agree with ALL their policies.

You, and a good number of you are treating the issue as black and white. When I vote conservative I don't agree with EVERYTHING they do. They offer the best fit from the available pool. Likewise for people who vote labour or lib dem.

And until you, and others realise that a vote for BNP does not make someone a racist the quicker you can deal with the BNP. running round labelling people racist makes you instantly lose the argument, as at that point you are just as bigoted and ignorant as the BNP themselves.

 

[chrisd]

formal education has little bearing on whether people can synthesis information and make a valid conclusion.

Of course it does.

 

[wilsky]

Of course it does.

Hasn't done much good for Gordon Brown, has it!?

 

[dirtydog]

Their party political broadcast is very good, it is on youtube if you haven't seen it.

 

[dirtydog]

Of course it does.

You can have all manner of fancy qualifications and degrees but still lack real world experience or common sense.

 

[Streeteh]

You can have all manner of fancy qualifications and degrees but still lack real world experience or common sense.

True, but to say that formal education has little bearing at all is going too far the other way. It's just as bad as saying having real world experience has little bearing. Both are essential.

[EDIT] Changed 'no' to 'little'

 

[Stolly]

I suspect they will be quite successful at the coming European elections and the face of British politics will be changed.

I suspect we are seeing the BNP using typical populist tactics of selling themselves as being the only party strong on a certain popular issue. Popular in their base of support that is.

In the period 2001-2008 it was certainly keeping the Muslims out due to terrorism. Now its keeping most immigrants out due to economic reasons.

Always with the undercurrent that its the "foreigners" within our shores that are the root of the problem, with the presumption that if they are no more then all these problems will be solved.

This isn't "changing the face of British politics" this is business as usual for the BNP.

I wonder what the next issue is.

Next health scare = Immigrants affecting our childrens health due to them bringing in whatever the next Swine Flu is

Spate of big pile ups on the motorways that happen to have a Pakistani in one of the cars = Immigrants making the roads dangerous

At the end of the day though the BNP is a one issue fringe party, as this thread certainly indicates. People have tried to engage the BNP supporters here in debate on BNP economic policy to have their questions ignored. Instead we have a 20 page discussion on race and nationality.

 

[wilsky]

True, but to say that formal education has little bearing at all is going too far the other way. It's just as bad as saying having real world experience has little bearing. Both are essential.

[EDIT] Changed 'no' to 'little'

Having no degree didn't seem to hold back Mr Gates, he went on to become the richest man in the world at one point. Likewise it hasn't been detrimental to Alan Sugar or Richard Branson.

All a formal education shows is your ability to remember and recall information with regards to a specific topic.

With regards to everyday life, common sense and life experience is going to help you considerably more than a PhD in Neruoscience.

A formal education is not essential. Just remember that when your paying off your student loans.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

All a formal education shows is your ability to remember and recall information with regards to a specific topic.

lol, spoken like someone who hasn't experienced higher education.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

A formal education is not essential. Just remember that when your paying off your student loans.

But education is essential. Education doesn't have to be going to college or University - it is in the books you read (novel or non-fictional), how you occupy your spare time, the TV you watch (whether you spend your every living hour watching soaps and Jeremy Kyle), what newspapers you read (The Sun, Star, Mirror etc != education), and so on.

 

[Stolly]

Having no degree didn't seem to hold back Mr Gates, he went on to become the richest man in the world at one point. Likewise it hasn't been detrimental to Alan Sugar or Richard Branson.

All a formal education shows is your ability to remember and recall information with regards to a specific topic.

With regards to everyday life, common sense and life experience is going to help you considerably more than a PhD in Neruoscience.

A formal education is not essential. Just remember that when your paying off your student loans.

Unless of course you wish to take a job in the field of Neruoscience, i suspect all the street smarts in the world isn't going to help you there.

Pulling three exceptions to the rule out of the air isn't going to to change the fact that on balance an education is an advantage, whilst on balance have no education is a disadvantage should you wish to pursue any career that can't be learnt in a single day.