Piracy costing tens of billions of pounds

It's a little wonder that piracy is costing so much. As long as big companies are willing to stump up multi-million pound ransoms to get their ships and crew back it won't change. Sink their ships and lob a couple of Tomahawks and a few well placed 5" shells into their base of operations and things might then start to change.
 
Nope. The leaked norty version that people got did have DRM which caused outcry among the geeks. But apparently the 'proper' release has no DRM whatsoever.

oo when's it out proper?

I might actually pick this up


*Hands man card back in* :(
 
it wouldn't be that hard to make a online version, piracy has shown how easy an effective DRM free videos/music can be distributed very cheaply.

only problem is the copyright holder would never let them do it.

Exactly, and we are back to the stone age record/film companies...

As for Pandora someone got my hopes up, I used to use it all the time and thought that they had removed the "only in the US" clause again, seems not...:(
 
That's down to bands and labels cutting corners. It's far cheaper to have the band mix the song or get a novice engineer to over compress and limit the mix and making it so loud to mask any shortcomings than it is to get a very skilled yet expensive engineer and studio.

It's really sad though as the kids of today are growing up with this sound and actually prefer it so there are what could be some real gems out there ruined by bad production values which will never be put right as no one will care. The first Artic Monkeys album is a striking example of terrible sound engineering that still sells by the bucket load.

As for the piracy debate I've given up on it, I will continue to buy as much of my music and as many of my films as I can within reason purely because I feel it is the right thing to do and others won't as they don't. Despite all the arguments and justifications for both sides it is as simple as that.
 
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It's a little wonder that piracy is costing so much. As long as big companies are willing to stump up multi-million pound ransoms to get their ships and crew back it won't change. Sink their ships and lob a couple of Tomahawks and a few well placed 5" shells into their base of operations and things might then start to change.

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...Jews can't be Pirates! Of course.

Exactly, and we are back to the stone age record/film companies...

As for Pandora someone got my hopes up, I used to use it all the time and thought that they had removed the "only in the US" clause again, seems not...:(

Haha sorry, it was just an example. The other two work though. The only issue I have with Spotify is the 'radio' which works similarly to Pandora just much worse. Bon Jovi is not metal :mad:
 
Most modern laptops and a cheap modern studio soundcard is more than up to the job for mixing an album on and with a bit of creativity can get close to the production quality of an album mixed in a top end studio.

The whole notion that it costs thousands to make an album, like lots of things with the music industry, is a reminace from decades gone by.

Lysander... magick just owned you. And Im being serious too lol.

First of all we are in a digital age. We use mp3 players, streaming music over physical file storage like cds.

Second of all, a full duplex sound card and a run of the mill pc can do more than you think. Look at daniel beddingfield for example.

Then there's the whole creating a cover???? **eheeeeeeemmmmmmm** lol

And distribution? really? mp3.com? reverbnation? just off the top of my head.
 
It's really sad though as the kids of today are growing up with this sound and actually prefer it so there are what could be some real gems out there ruined by bad production values which will never be put right as no one will care. The first Artic Monkeys album is a striking example of terrible sound engineering that still sells by the bucket load.

As for the piracy debate I've given up on it, I will continue to buy as much of my music and as many of my films as I can within reason purely because I feel it is the right thing to do and others won't as they don't. Despite all the arguments and justifications for both sides it is as simple as that.


I thought the first Arctic Monkeys album was done in their bedroom by themselves, which is why people put up with it, as it was a first?

Haha sorry, it was just an example. The other two work though. The only issue I have with Spotify is the 'radio' which works similarly to Pandora just much worse. Bon Jovi is not metal :mad:

*glares*:mad:

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Lysander... magick just owned you. And Im being serious too lol.

First of all we are in a digital age. We use mp3 players, streaming music over physical file storage like cds.

Second of all, a full duplex sound card and a run of the mill pc can do more than you think. Look at daniel beddingfield for example.

Teenage, tin-eared listeners may want mp3s but I know of no professional band that would be happy having their music mastered purely in mp3 format or compared to Daniel Beddingfield in any way whatsoever. Don't be ridiculous. You know what perfectionists artists can be?

Then there's the whole creating a cover???? **eheeeeeeemmmmmmm** lol

Bands are generally very very picky when it comes to their artwork. They want something specific done in a professional manner and normally have a huge brief for the artist to follow. This can take weeks/months of negotiation until the final product has been tweaked enough to the satisfaction of all parties. I'm talking about these things from experience and it's no way as simple as you're making out.
 
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how about this for a solution? ban drm, make fair use rights clear, then make ip theft or duplication a criminal offence. surely that would please everyone apart from those unwilling to pay no matter what...
This.

As an interesting statistic, when Sweden (I think) finally made copyright infringement illegal, internet traffic dropped 30% overnight.
 
Presumeably they've worked out how much its costing the industry and or the economy by averaging downloader numbers versus number of files downloaded. But in actual fact its a load of ****, because if those people actually HAD to pay for the items, they wouldnt use/watch/listen to them, so they havent lost anything. I'd be willing to bet that with the advent of being able to buy legitimate downloads cheaply the actual cost is smaller than ever before. Not to mention that with programs like Napster starting illegal but turning legitimate, piracy has actually helped sales in the long run!
 
Teenage, tin-eared listeners may want mp3s but I know of no professional band that would be happy having their music mastered purely in mp3 format or compared to Daniel Beddingfield in any way whatsoever. Don't be ridiculous. You know what perfectionists artists can be?

The tin-eared listeners that you refer to just so happen to be the majority of consumers. Just because certain people would like full quality music on a CD does not mean that everyone else does. Why is your need any greater than theirs?

Ideally the two systems would be run side by side, catering for both those who want a quick copy to shove on their MP3 player AND those who wish to play CDs through expensive sound systems. Whether or not that happens is up to the record companies but the suggestions are out there.
 
The tin-eared listeners that you refer to just so happen to be the majority of consumers. Just because certain people would like full quality music on a CD does not mean that everyone else does.

Unfortunately the 'certain people' you refer to are the most important people - the bands - who care about their music more than the consumers and don't want their creations to have 90% of their audio quality torn out.
 
Teenage, tin-eared listeners may want mp3s but I know of no professional band that would be happy having their music mastered purely in mp3 format or compared to Daniel Beddingfield in any way whatsoever. Don't be ridiculous. You know what perfectionists artists can be?

Do what he suggested an store it in a Lossless format then. Problem solved.

Hell, its what the studio will be doing anyway.
 
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Unfortunately the 'certain people' you refer to are the most important people - the bands - who care about their music more than the consumers and don't want their creations to have 90% of their audio quality torn out.

I'm afraid the bands would have less say if people stopped buying their 'expensive' music and took to cheaper MP3-based solutions.

I'm not saying that bands should be forced to do anything but I believe their labels should have enough sense to realise what consumers want these days, whether that be the needs of the audiophiles or the Average Joes.
 
Bands are generally very very picky when it comes to their artwork.

Indeed. I did some freelance graphics work a while ago creating an album cover, and it tooks weeks of drafts being banded about for them to decide on minute changes (although they didn't notice a typo for about 4 drafts :p).
 
labels should have enough sense to realise what consumers want these days, whether that be the needs of the audiophiles or the Average Joes.

They do. I do. I've heard the pleas of scores of listeners saying "we want physical CDs and instant downloads if we spend our money." Fine. "We want posters with our CDs." Fine. "We want something physical in the box." Fine. "We want special edition vinyls." Fine. "We want a printed guarantee in the CD inlay saying that x% goes to the band". Fine. "We want 320 kbps mp3s". Fine.

But all this is superfulous. At the end of day loads of people are going to download it and not pay instead. The bottom line is that if people can get something for free, they will, end of story.
 
They do. I do. I've heard the pleas of scores of listeners saying "we want physical CDs and instant downloads if we spend our money." Fine. "We want posters with our CDs." Fine. "We want something physical in the box." Fine. "We want special edition vinyls." Fine. "We want a printed guarantee in the CD inlay saying that x% goes to the band". Fine. "We want 320 kbps mp3s". Fine.

But all this is superfulous. At the end of day loads of people are going to download it and not pay instead. The bottom line is that if people can get something for free, they will, end of story.

Nobody is denying that there are some people who will not think twice about downloading things for free despite being offered reasonable alternatives. Saying that everyone is the same, however, is simply not true (which some people like stoofa cannot seem to understand).
 
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