It is quite amusing.
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It is quite amusing.
Eh? I don't agree with those things, those should be entirely voluntary, forcing someone would be anti-liberal. Forcing someone to go on a gay parade is almost right wing. Why? Because you disallowing alternative ideas.
LISTEN TO ME, if you think forcing people do something is liberal, you have the wrong idea of liberal. I have repeated that again, and again. If your forcing someone your are violating there freedom.
However you as a person can not as person force someone do something either, or violate there rights i.e beat them up. Because you would be abusing there freedoms.
You can not violate other peoples freedom by forcing them to move.
On the other hand we can't make you move for having that view.
However if act on view anyway and beat them up. You have violated someone else's freedom, and have to be punished.
As true liberal, I have to tolerate your view to. I don't have to agree, but i can't violate your freedom to have alternative views.
I'm very much english.
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I do not support the concept of the nbpa and do not see why the Police Federation, Superintendents' Association or ACPO cannot address issues based on race etc.
Those are my personal views.
The police (higher ups) are hypocrites aren't they? They ban membership of an all white organisation which promotes white interests but permit membership of a black organisation which promotes black interests. Indefensible I think.
Why is it funny? Didn't the chief exec of that organisation get found out for perjury? And didn't they employ dodgy lawyers that got disbarred? When they act as a force to promote black officers instead of white officers not based on performance but to ensure "representation". Hardly joke material is it.
Ah, the BPA, that old chestnut...
The BPA exists because there has been a history of racism aginst black members within the police force. It is their to promote their equality.
Why is there no WPA? Because there is no need. There is no 'white minority' with a history of racism against them within the police.
You cannot take the existance of the BPA without putting their existance in context. To do so is simply to want to be offended...
The BPA exists because there has been a history of racism aginst black members within the police force. It is their to promote their equality.
Why is there no WPA? Because there is no need. There is no 'white minority' with a history of racism against them within the police.
You cannot take the existance of the BPA without putting their existance in context. To do so is simply to want to be offended...
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There is a difference between an 'all white' organisation which promotes white interests and a black organisation, which whites can join if they chose, and which promotes black interests.
I think someone should make a while organisation, which allows anyone to join, just to see what happens.
Did you tick your ballot paper with your last brain cells or something?
Shame you can't write it, and don't take that too personally. I had to re-read your comments and I am still unsure your message. I do get the gist that we agree, but not quite sure how or what on.
And finally, please don't shout at me. ALL CAPS SHOWS YOU ARE ANGRY. Are you?
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Suggesting it is one way is a legitimate argument.
For what it's worth, if police officers were allowed to join the BNP tomorrow I still would not.
As for hard to comprehend, do you aim that at me ?
Ah yes, I remember, where every copper was a racist. Please. More left wing guardian propaganda, more jobs for "social inclusion managers" and the expansion of the state. Just like all the jobs the British don't want to do. A complete myth and fallacy, and also insulting to the majority of coppers who were not racists.
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Write a letter then or do I continue to be the conduit from disgruntled forum member to the police service ?
I reiterate that I greatly regret outing myself on these forums.
NO I m just pointing out the hypocrisy
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Eh? Why...
Why, because even though I would rate myself as have some racist views, the BNP are just a bunch of idiots. If people seriously think that they could run the country and not make a bigger hash of it than the Tories or the Labour party, well, I just find it laughable. Got it bad at the moment, well if these cowboys got in, then bye bye your cushy life as you know it.
Sorry if I am badgering you, I didn't know you were uncomfortable - as you have said that you are, I will happily refrain from asking your views on police related matters from now on
in your opinion
It's because i've been repeating the same thing over and over again.
You may dislike immigration, that's ok. I can not exclude you from joining the police, because that would be screwing around with your liberty. You could not enforce you view on the public either because your messing with there liberty then.
However with that view you can not go around telling people to move to another country once they have settled in because they are foreign, because you are then screwing with there liberty. That is what the BNP would do.
The message is i have tolerate all views, even right wing views. If i didn't i would contradict myself of being tolerant.
Tolerant is the main theme in being liberal.
if i forced someone to march on a gay parade, that would be forcing someone to do something discrediting there freedom .
On the other hand you can not stop someone going on the gay parade because that would discredit there freedom. Which extreme right wing partys would do.
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How about a copper that lets his religion get in the way. For example, two muslim police officers attend a domestic assault between two muslims. They arrive and decide to let the "families" deal with this via "sharia" law.
How is that different than suggesting a copper voting BNP will go out and beat up black people for fun. I would suggest that the former is more likely to happen rather than the latter as the latter would get found out a lot more quickly than the former. In fact, the former is an issue where child abuse occurs but the social workers don't want to get involved due to PC worries about offending religion.
That's understandable. But why should you be fired if you got found out voting Lib Dems, or worse, The Greens? You might go round smashing up cafes and resteraunts and nicking people coming out of McDonalds!
I did, and in hindsight it was low, but it does grate on my nerves when I witness one way prejudice. I don't vote BNP by the way.