The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[Rich_L]

Further than that even.

People who oppose immigration will often cite the reason that they feel 'uncomfortable' when they are 'outnumbered'. Yet strangely, those who are in favour or indifferent to immigration do not suffer from this problem. Insecurity, perhaps?

So when an intolerant person projects their views onto others, they imagine that if they became a minority, they would likely be exposed to the same prejudices, albeit in reverse, that they hold. No doubt, a highly unpleasant thought.

Conversely, those who do not fear, have nothing to fear.

The question is, if it's so unpleasant imagining yourself as a minority in an intolerant land - what does that say about the views you hold yourself?

 

[dirtydog]

those who do not fear, have nothing to fear.

Do you really believe that? Do that apply to everything in life? There is nothing bad or dangerous in the world unless you think there is?

 

[uv]

Multiculturalism doesn't work.

It seems to work just fine 'round my neck of the woods.
I live near Rusholme, Longsight and Levenshulme, all majorly multicultural areas of Manchester, and I've never witnessed any problems caused by the fact that the areas are multicultaral.

There's a pub in the middle of Rusholme that has a customer base of white, working class men - and still, there are never any issues or conflicts.

Please, explain exactly how multiculturalism doesn't work..

 

[Sankari]

And as for yourself you did not look into it before coming here,same as me in the USA

WRONG. I did look into it before coming here; I knew perfectly well that I wouldn't be eligible for benefits or housing. It was even written on my visa: "No access to public funds". And I also had to show that I had £5,000 in my bank account before I could enter the country. None of this was a problem for me, because I came here to work; I didn't come here to sponge off the government.

Why do so many people in this country spend so much time whining about the availability of council housing? Why don't they get off their backsides and save up for a house themselves? Why do they expect the government to do everything for them? I've never lived in council housing; I've always paid my way.

You have to sign up to Solihull to get the info,but this is a good read
on how they need Housing here http://www.solihullcommunityhousing.org.uk/FileServer.aspx?oID=1191&lID=0 I bet you never knew that either.

This proves that they need to free up more housing (no surprise there). It says nothing about the entitlement of immigrants. What's your point?

But why should the UK tax payer pay towars there rent?

Do they? Which immigrants receive government payments towards their rent? If they're immigrants who've already been working in the UK, then they're obviously paying tax themselves, so where's the problem?

 

[Rich_L]

Do you really believe that? Do that apply to everything in life? There is nothing bad or dangerous in the world unless you think there is?

No it doesn't apply to everything in life. That said, I'm very happy and not afraid or worried in the slightest - ohhh scary immigrants with their funny languages, food, skin colours and wanting to live in mah country.

That's bad or dangerous? Grow a pair

 

[Neodite]

Evangelion, do you realise how hard it is to get a house nowadays, people are stuck with renting, and if you have a family it's next to impossible to save up for a home in any decent time scale, so for a lot of people a council house is the only way to go.

 

[dirtydog]

No it doesn't apply to everything in life. That said, I'm very happy and not afraid or worried in the slightest - ohhh scary immigrants with their funny languages, food, skin colours and wanting to live in mah country.

That's bad or dangerous? Grow a pair

Seems like a non-sequitur - I'm not 'afraid' of immigrants in the sense I think they're all out to get me, but I don't like the widespread and rapid change that our society is undergoing, not to mention the undeniable and demonstrable financial burden that large and rapid mass immigration has placed on public services and our infrastructure.

It isn't just me saying these things, it isn't even just the BNP. Well respected MPs like Labour's Frank Field have been saying this for years.

 

[Neodite]

No it doesn't apply to everything in life. That said, I'm very happy and not afraid or worried in the slightest - ohhh scary immigrants with their funny languages, food, skin colours and wanting to live in mah country.

That's bad or dangerous? Grow a pair

So you dont care if immigrants can come over as many as they like or if none come at all, so why comment about it?

I supose you have grown a pair and dont care about the ressesion either? Lets hope you dont have a family and then loose your job then yeah

 

[deuse]

I think I just hit upon some irony here, the typical BNP racist aggressor (Dirty Dog) is the minority in Britain, lacks the willingness to understand and integrate with other cultures and is easily lead by more intelligent but conniving and manipulative fringe political activists with their own agendas.

The person they perceive as the typical immigrant is probably more typical of fundamentalists, lacking in intelligence and empathy and being manipulated by fringe political activists with their own agendas.

The BNP and Al Qaeda should have a shared Christmas party, if you put aside your obvious differences you share a common outlook of intolerance and a lack of empathy, whilst being unaware of how you are just puppets who do not represent the typical world view of your community. Go on, it would be a hoot.

I am not racist.
But please tell me why I should integrate with immigrants?
it is them who should integrate with us.

Its like me going to India and saying this.
Right you lot I am a immigrant you will now do as I do and do as I say
and IF you don't like it you will All be RACIST. So there.

 

[Zip]

Come again? It isn't for ME to 'integrate' with the alien cultures that come here. It is for THEM to conform to our way of life, to adopt our culture. Multiculturalism doesn't work.

Tell that to the Phillipinos i used to work with.

Not only are the the hardest working people i probably know. Most of them own a few million dollars worth of property because of it.
And i hardly no anyone that holds anything against them.

I used to love sitting down and having lunch with them. They were usually much better company then some of the older sour Australian women at the factory.

The seem to live there culture while mixing it up with ours. They are quiet and keep to them selves but thats just them. Hell im like that too.
And Not once did i see them force there culture onto anyone else. If anything it was us young ones asking about it.

But they are Pumping **** loads of tax into the system due to there jobs (2 or more) and propertys and Creating **** loads more jobs through getting more houses built. (IE Electricians, Plumbers, Carpenters, Labourers, Tilers, Concreters.)

I see bugger all problem with immogration unless they are violent, psycos, try force the law to change in there favour or not pulling there weight and sponging.

 

[Skidder]

Where have I said that multiculturalism or indeed mass immigration are 'causing our economic crisis'? Sounds like a straw man.

You asked if mass immigration and multiculturalism were causing problems? You also said that from where you are sitting (from the way you carry on, I imagine you are probably sitting in a basement converted to a shooting range, with walls pasted in memorabilia from the second world war....and not from our side, wearing a gas mask, while doing pushups and self administering tattoos ) the country is falling apart.

I presumed you were reflecting upon the very real problems our country is facing rather than the much more minor ones you have exaggerated in your mind. Since you vote for a one policy party I presume you do feel that the issues this policy attempts to address are at the root of our problems.

Come again? It isn't for ME to 'integrate' with the alien cultures that come here. It is for THEM to conform to our way of life, to adopt our culture. Multiculturalism doesn't work.

Only a fool, and I say that advisedly, would not see the need for all members of a society to integrate and cooperate, that is not to say assimilate. Why would a society, such as Britain, which thank god allows for diversity, require anyone to conform or adopt anyone else's culture, yourself included. Those are your words not mine and they are not pretty or clever.

 

[mrk]

Let's make a poll for namechange to the thread title

"The Racist Thread, normal people need not apply"

 

[Ciphon]

Let's make a poll for namechange to the thread title

"The Racist Thread, normal people need not apply"

+1

 

[Rich_L]

So you dont care if immigrants can come over as many as they like or if none come at all, so why comment about it?

I said I'm not afraid or scared of them.

I supose you have grown a pair and dont care about the ressesion either? Lets hope you dont have a family and then loose your job then yeah

No, I'm not afraid or scared of the recession either.

Both of the above can probably be attributed to being flexible and prepared to adapt, rather than sitting shouting at the sea hoping the tide will turn. The world is getting smaller, culture change is inexorable - adapt and make the best of it or get left behind..

 

[dirtydog]

I see bugger all problem with immigration

Your country, Australia, is vastly bigger than ours so that isn't surprising Britain, and in particular England on the other hand, is one of the most densely populated countries on earth. We are full and to increase our population further, harms our quality of life.

 

[Skidder]

I am not racist.
But please tell me why I should integrate with immigrants?
it is them who should integrate with us.

Its like me going to India and saying this.
Right you lot I am a immigrant you will now do as I do and do as I say
and IF you don't like it you will All be RACIST. So there.

Duhhhh

As a BNP voter you are the one who claims we should all conform to some homogenous sense of Britishness, not me. I am talking about integration at a big picture level where efforts to understand, refrain from judging and cooperate in the face of diversity would be sufficient.

edit: and don't kid yourself, you are a racist (or not capable of understanding that your actions are racist)

 

[Skidder]

Skidder, just because immigration does not play a large part in the ressesion, does not mean things dont still need to change. Are then BNP the right people? Nope, but nobody else is doing anything... About this or anything else.

Not everything in politics resolves around the current climate, look ahead abit more

I am perfectly capable of looking ahead and I have never said that immigration is a non-issue. I am adressing the points made in relation to the BNP, since that is the point of the thread.

 

[Monkey Puzzle]

I am not racist.
But....[/B]

You should write for the Daily Mail.

 

[Knubje]

Let's make a poll for namechange to the thread title

"The Racist Thread, normal people need not apply"

+1

 

[dirtydog]

Duhhhh

As a BNP voter you are the one who claims we should all conform to some homogenous sense of Britishness, not me. I am talking about integration at a big picture level where efforts to understand, refrain from judging and cooperate in the face of diversity would be sufficient.

I must say I hate the word 'diversity' - as if it is something we should celebrate. Celebrate the fact other people who have come here are completely different from us. To me, diversity is divisive. Disparate cultures living together in harmony might sound good on paper, or to Guardian readers but in the real world it doesn't work.