**Summer Transfer Thread: News, Rumours and Speculation**

Anderson is simply not good enough for manyoo. He's (apparently, I haven't seen them) had a couple of good games as against Arsenal, but he's too cumbersome and slow. He isn't an accurate enough passer of the ball nor is his touch good enough.

He may surprise me and come on quickly, but for me there's too much improvement needed from him.

As for the rest of the squad, Giggs is past it, Scholes is past it, Van Desr Sar is going that way, Neville is past it, Hargreaves is a crock, Foster appears to be injured more often than not, Anderson is poo, Berbatov isn't having the impact required, Ronaldo has gone, Nani isn't good enough and won't ever be, Fletcher isn't good enough often enough, Tevez appears to be going... is Park good enough to start more often than not? Are the Da Silva twins able to cut it week-in week-out? I don't think Welbeck is good enough, is Macheda ready for the spotlight on him?

I think they're gonna struggle to fill all those spots, but they need to have them filled properly within 12 months. That's all Giggs and Scholes have left, certinly. I also think VDS will drop a few clangers this season, he's not the keeper he was.

They're lucky they still have the spine of the team. Ferdinand, Vidic, Carrick, Rooney. Any kind of long-term injury to those players and they're in deep ****.
 
Gutted :/

On the bright side we can strengthen where we need to, he hasn't looked interested for 3/4's of the season and I know don't have to have high blood pressure when he's lost the ball and has a fit in the middle of the pitch.

The bad points, MU should have come out and said they had already agreed a fee for him last year, all this cloak and dagger **** has ****ed me off a bit tbh, just be up front with the fans and say "Yeah, he's off to Madrid next year for 80 millonZ"

I'll miss him, I think he's a fantastic player and I really don't want him playing for anyone else, especially that bunch of ****ing Gypsy's.
 
FrankJH said:
and what happens IF Masch and Alonso force themselves out of Liverpool to Barca and RM as rumoured (nothing may come of it, but in your position I would at the very least be concerned about it at this stage)

The heart of your team disappears overnight
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I'm not a Liverpool supporter and feel dirty even thinking about it ;)
 
FrankJH said:
and what happens IF Masch and Alonso force themselves out of Liverpool to Barca and RM as rumoured (nothing may come of it, but in your position I would at the very least be concerned about it at this stage)

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Already confirmed Mascherano isnt going anywhere and 90% certain Alonso wont be either.
 
G|mp said:
The bad points, MU should have come out and said they had already agreed a fee for him last year, all this cloak and dagger **** has ****ed me off a bit tbh, just be up front with the fans and say "Yeah, he's off to Madrid next year for 80 millonZ"
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Im not sure Man Utd had agreed to anything before yesterday / today

The fact that the figure has changed, albeit not by much (considering the sum involved) and few other small things make me think there might have been an informal agreement between SAF and Ronny last summer, but nothing official until this week.

I am certainly looking forward to more team orientated games now I have to admit, and his name not being mentioned every 5 seconds on every commentary

Burned_Alive said:
Already confirmed Mascherano isnt going anywhere and 90% certain Alonso wont be either.
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Confirmed by who? The club or the player or both? If its the former I would still be a little concerned if I were you.

Tom84 said:
I'm not a Liverpool supporter and feel dirty even thinking about it ;)
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Fair enough
 
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I'd probably hazzard a guess and say that Fergie said, "Stay with us one more season we want to do back to back Champions League wins. You can make up you're mind after that."

The fact that we didn't win the CL has probably swayed things, that and the cash that RM are probably offering him (as well as it's his "dream club").
 
There is nothing worse than having your best players taken away by Real Madrid.

We don't use that term here.

Especially in reverse

Gilly
 
Burned_Alive said:
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N164698090610-1121.htm

Is good enough for me, if Benitez thought there was any chance Mascherano wanted away, he wouldnt have come out with it. Not even crossed my mind, he will still be a Liverpool player come next season.
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Maybe its nothing - but 24 hours is a long time in football (as the saying goes) - let alone a week!!

If a player requests a transfer by having his head turned, it puts the present club in a very difficult position. It hasnt happened yet, but it still could

Already rumours about Alonso + money going to RM for a couple of players in the other direction. Maybe nothing in that rumour either - but after last summer Alonso cant be too happy how he was treated by the club
 
sswats said:
Man Utd without Ronaldo still have a better squad than Liverpool and Chelsea.

I don't see how Liverpool with weaknesses all over the team -1 good striker, only 1 good center back, average fullbacks and makeshift winger makes them more worthy title contenders.
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I agree that Man Utd still have a better squad, but: Yes, fair enough, we have 1 good striker (2 if you count Gerrard...)

Carra, Agger and Skrtel are all class. Hyypia was good enough as well, although he has now gone.

Average fullbacks...in parts, Arbeloa had a shaky season but is class on his day. Hopefully Dosena will be off in the transfer window, in which case I'm very happy with Aurelio or Insua at left back.

Makeshift winger - I assume you mean Kuyt? I would have agreed with you about that over the last couple of seasons, but he's really grown to fill that role. He deserves to be looked at as a right winger now, rather than a striker, and was, in my opinion, one of our best players last season.

My main worry is getting another striker, arguably a right back (if Degen ever has to fill in for Arbeloa I may top myself), and making darn sure that we don't lose Alonso, who was unbelievable last year. We looked worse when he didn't play than we did without Gerrard.
 
As listed before

Cech

Cole
Terry
Carvalho/ Alex
Bosingwa

Mikel
Essien
Lampard
J.Cole
Malouda

Drogba

Is united's team stronger than that on paper?
 
That's my point :p

If Chelsea can keep Essien/Terry/Lampard/J.Cole and Frogba fit all season i can see Chelsea being champions.

Even more so if Hargreaves stays injured. For me, Anderson is not up to the job.

If Chelsea do sign Aguero though they would have to completely change the system and play 4-4-2, If Drogba is willing to accept the fact that he will be there to hold the ball up it might work. I'd much rather have him gone and play Villa and Aguero out front,but that's fantasy :)
 
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Well just try and think of the players United would take out of that XI.

Cech, Terry, Bosingwa, Essien, Lampard, Drogba?

Chelsea do have a very strong team and squad that's for sure.

Regarding Ronaldo, I'll be glad to see the back of him. I appreciate how good he is as a footballer but I can't stand some of his antics.

I think a lot of the United fans are underestimating how big of a loss he will be. His goals especially have definitely earned them a lot of points in recent seasons

But having said that, the £80M (if used wisely) could well be enough to improve the squad on a whole. I guess we'll just have to see which way it goes over the summer.
 
Miguél said:
Unbelievable that people are writing us off just because ronnie has gone - 1 player doesnt make a premiership winning team, its about the squad. United still have the best squad and if we add £80m worth of players next season then we will be even more formidable.

I fully expect Rooney to step upto Ronaldo's plate next season and start banging a few in, especially now he will be played up top not on the wing.
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the difference is, lets take Pires/Robben/Giggs on their very very best years, talking between 10-16goals a year, Ronaldo did have a "bad year" in his terms, and he still got 17 goals in the prem was it, 26 in total, if you don't think those goals mad a difference you're mad. As for people saying they have no chance, don't think anyones said that, but if you don't think in a year where your top scorer, or the year before when he had a ridiculous strike rate, if those goals had dried up it wouldn't have made a difference you're the one whose nuts. Whats the average win in goals in the league, somewhere between 1-2 most likely, take 42 goals in the year and honestly tell me a few games wouldn't have been lost had he not been playing? Now take this year, Utd lose 3 extra games and what would have happened to the title.

Its not that one player completely turns around a team, but yes, someone as good as Ronaldo can be the difference between Challenging and winning for sure, unquestionably. Without his league goals in both years I very much doubt Utd would have won either league title(so I'm thankful that Liverpool didn't win this years :p ).


AS for the best squad, people said Utd had the best squad, firstly because they aren't very clever, secondly, because Ronaldo's IS PART OF THAT SQUAD and that changes how the squad is seen. The fact is they still might have the best squad, but largely because Mourinho spunked 100's of mils on players that aren't even at Chelsea anymore, their "squad" players aren't great because they never really bought any, expensive flops who they shipped out, they never really got squad players so theres very little depth. Liverpool do the same, buy tonnes of expensive tat. Man Utd "might" have the best squad and its by default, not because of the pure brilliance of Fletcher, Park, Giggs, Scholes, Anderson. Their ineptitude is largely covered by just how good Ronaldo, Rooney and Berbatov(yes him, seriously watch that Spurs game, he was by far the best player on the pitch, that kind of performance is the kind of thing that wins titles, he started each and every goal scoring move, thats what he does).


The simple fact is loosing Ronaldo severely reduces the quality of the best side Utd can put out is, that will mean harder times winning key games in the season. I've also said this, spent right the money can buy a decent right winger, but improve other aspects of the team that bring the overall quality of the squad back up. IE, a great left winger, a dm, and a right winger, rather than Giggs and Nani. Lose 10 goals from the right, get 10 more on the left. If they ***** it on Tevez(being reported he's deffo not going utd today) they have no chance.

Next season for Utd, much like Arsenal's, is all based on who they buy in, while Liverpool at this stage could pretty much go on as is, as could Chelsea. So for the minute no one could possibly predict next years title.
 
Alex wouldnt get in the Utd team (and isnt Carvalho itching for a move)?

I would still say Utd's back four is the best in the league when fit

Hargreaves isnt the same player as Anderson, and Ando was never meant to be , totally different. Fletcher if anything is OH's stand in

Malousa and Mikel are pretty average really - good squad players but nothing to boast about really

Berba at his best and Rooney just behind him could work - well it would certainly get the best out of Rooney anyway

Depends what happens in signings / injuries whether the others can compete but I wouldnt say 1st XI to 1st XI is that different even without Ronaldo
 
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