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[dirtydog]

no, i simply want you to proove me wrong
You seem to think you have solid reasoning behind your opinion, for this i put the assumption that you found some sort of "proof" that on the whole validated your opinon
I simply want you to provide me with that proof so i can judge for myself

I think the proof has been amply demonstrated in this thread already, by myself and other members If you have read the whole thread and are still unconvinced then we must agree to disagree.

 

[dirtydog]

No, just you.

I am a person you dislike and/or whose views you dislike, therefore you would deport me. Is that right?

Riiight.

There was no contradiction there.

Is a black person the 'right sort of person' or not?

I do believe I have answered that already.

 

[Dolph]

I deliberately chose the word 'able' because I would introduce very authoritarian policies to force jobless people here to do a job they were 'able' to do, whether they wanted to or not. The BNP would get tough on benefit scroungers in a way the main parties have shown themselves unable or unwilling to do.

Another place where we disagree, at least in approach if not aim. Remove benefits, there's no need to force people, just treat everyone the same thereby ensuring that work pays.

 

[Dolph]

I am a person you dislike and/or whose views you dislike, therefore you would deport me. Is that right?


There was no contradiction there.


I do believe I have answered that already.

Shall I fill in the blanks in your position?

No, a black person is not the 'right sort of person', even if they are a perfect culture fit.

See, it's not hard to be open and honest. Now the other question is why do you think this? Is it the risk of miscegenation that you are concerned about? Is there something about a culturally identical but more brown Britain that you feel is undesirable, if so, what is it?

 

[Yas786]

I am a person you dislike and/or whose views you dislike, therefore you would deport me. Is that right?


There was no contradiction there.


I do believe I have answered that already.

Wow your sounding more and more like good ole Nicky Griffen there DD??...you sure you arent his spokesman or something. He also likes to dodge certain questions as well and does it pretty good too.

Personally i wouldnt deport you for your views, i just have an extreme dislike for people who place more emphasis on someones culture or skin colour...its never made a blind bit of difference to me and unfortunately for you im here stealing all yo girlz...they like a bit of brown meat you see and dont have a problem dating an asian guy...but i guess your against that as well ie mixed relationships??.

Btw the stealing all yo girlz was a tongue in cheek comment....but it is true that i am lol

 

[dirtydog]

Another place where we disagree, at least in approach if not aim. Remove benefits, there's no need to force people, just treat everyone the same thereby ensuring that work pays.

I would remove them for people who don't make a proper effort to get a job, which in theory happens now but as we all know, in reality doesn't happen nearly enough. I understand your viewpoint on this and I have some sympathy with it, but I think a benefit safety net is needed - the trouble is at the moment it is way too easy to abuse and to become a lifestyle choice. At the least I would cut benefits after say three months to something like £30 a week. I would also give £0 a week to anyone who lives with their parents or who has a working partner, from day one.

 

[Chronictank]

I think the proof has been amply demonstrated in this thread already, by myself and other members If you have read the whole thread and are still unconvinced then we must agree to disagree.

I have tried reading most this thread but i cant find any proof to the effect that by the BNP's definition there has been a negative effect on the economy

If you want to include high profile cases of the opposite, seven of the 10 wealthiest billionaires in the UK come from overseas.
The richest of them all is a Indian called Lakshmi Mittal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4405379.stm
He alone probably puts more money into the UK economy than the entire BNP membership (pure speculation based on no proof)

Some others you would happily deport;
Asians:
- Mike Jatania sits atop a branded cosmetics business, Lornamead, built by four brothers from Uganda valued at £650m
- Patel brothers, worth £455m
- Mehta brothers from Kenya £185m
- Navin and Varsha Engineer £115m
East Africans:
- Kenyan born; Ramesh Sachdev £280m

there are many more, source here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2936997/Britains-richest-Asians.html

 

[dirtydog]

Shall I fill in the blanks in your position?

No, a black person is not the 'right sort of person', even if they are a perfect culture fit.

See, it's not hard to be open and honest. Now the other question is why do you think this? Is it the risk of miscegenation that you are concerned about? Is there something about a culturally identical but more brown Britain that you feel is undesirable, if so, what is it?

I know that you know what my views are, but you want me to spell them out for other people's benefit, is that right?

 

[vee70]

Quoting irrelevant ones do

I'm not convinced that you are desperately well placed to determine what is, or is not, "irrelevent".

Everything they buy, road tax etc.. if they own a vehical, all the money they keep in their bank accounts, all the services they use; especially if they have children, fuel bills so on and so forth.
Just because THEY dont work doesn't mean their partner/family doesn't

If you are proportionately taking more in disability, jobseekers and other benefits than the native then you are not a net benefit are you. Dolph posted the link, I bothered to read the pdf - because I prefer to base my opinions on facts than just spouting emotional guff - I then replied to Dolph with the relevent tables and the relevent statistics. Of course if they don't conform to your preconcieved "ideas" then I daresay you'll consider them "irrelevent".

I couldn't see them before getting bored of trawling through the previous posts, feel free to repost as i would be genuinely interested

Never mind, just carry on spouting off ill-informed nonsense and wrapping it up as fact if it makes you feel better. If you can not be bothered to deal with facts and figures then I can't be bothered to spoon feed you.

 

[dirtydog]

I have tried reading most this thread but i cant find any proof to the effect that by the BNP's definition there has been a negative effect on the economy

If you want to include high profile cases of the opposite, seven of the 10 wealthiest billionaires in the UK come from overseas.
The richest of them all is a Indian called Lakshmi Mittal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4405379.stm
He alone probably puts more money into the UK economy than the entire BNP membership (pure speculation based on no proof)

Who said no immigrant makes a net financial contribution to the UK? Not me, not the BNP. Sounds like a straw man... of course there are various wealthy immigrants who do make a large contribution financially. There are also a huge number of immigrants who make no net contribution whatsoever, or indeed who are a net drain.

 

[dirtydog]

Some others you would happily deport;
Asians:
- Mike Jatania sits atop a branded cosmetics business, Lornamead, built by four brothers from Uganda valued at £650m
- Patel brothers, worth £455m
- Mehta brothers from Kenya £185m
- Navin and Varsha Engineer £115m
East Africans:
- Kenyan born; Ramesh Sachdev £280m

there are many more, source here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2936997/Britains-richest-Asians.html

Where did I say I would deport them?

 

[Wicksta]

You want to deport people who you don't like or whose views you disagree with?

I'd rather deport people based on their actions rather than skin colour.

 

[vee70]

See, most of those are fairly sensible, but the cultural requirement ignores our nations history as a mongrel (in a strictly non-derogatory fashion) state. We have always welcomed and incorporated areas of different cultures into our own for centuries. If you want to go on historical precedents, should we exclude all minority religions from immigrating, including atheism?

I'm also glad to see you've been honest about your desire to stop non-white immigration irrespective of cultural fit.

I'd also change the 'able' to 'willing' in the employment criteria.

Are you suggesting that current and recent levels of immigration and cultural impact are of the same effect and scale throughout UK history?
Being acepting of a little bit of immigration of similar people is not the same as we are seeing now. I think your statement is deliberately misleading.

 

[Dolph]

I would remove them for people who don't make a proper effort to get a job, which in theory happens now but as we all know, in reality doesn't happen nearly enough. I understand your viewpoint on this and I have some sympathy with it, but I think a benefit safety net is needed - the trouble is at the moment it is way too easy to abuse and to become a lifestyle choice. At the least I would cut benefits after say three months to something like £30 a week. I would also give £0 a week to anyone who lives with their parents or who has a working partner, from day one.

See, at no point do I advocate removal of the safety net, what I have proposed many times over is the idea that if there is a minimum 'cost of living' if you like, then it should be given to everyone one way or another (hence the negative income tax model). This is the safety net in itself, your income can never drop below the minimum level. How you spend it might be an issue, but it will always be there, for everyone.

I know that you know what my views are, but you want me to spell them out for other people's benefit, is that right?

I make a point of being honest about my views, even though I'm fully aware that some of them aren't popular, and that some of them lower my stock with those reading my posts. I feel everyone should be honest about their views when they are relevant to a thread like this. From what I know about your views, it's not impossible for you to express them with good accuracy without breaching the posting guidelines here, so I feel that instead of this constant dodging, you should just state your views openly and honestly, it might help people understand your position better.

 

[Dolph]

Are you suggesting that current and recent levels of immigration and cultural impact are of the same effect and scale throughout UK history?
Being acepting of a little bit of immigration of similar people is not the same as we are seeing now. I think your statement is deliberately misleading.

You do realise christanity was imported, right (the country worshipped a variety of pagan deities prior to it)? Christianity and the close association it has had with the history of this country, and it originated in the middle east, and was brought to the UK initially by the Romans, and then took hold over the next few hundred years.

So yes, I would say that imported culture has had huge impact on the history and culture of the UK.

 

[Chronictank]

Where did I say I would deport them?

Okay my definition of the right people would be those who share our culture, ie. not Muslims or other alien cultures which will not integrate seamlessly into our native British culture

They fall under that category

Who said no immigrant makes a net financial contribution to the UK? Not me, not the BNP. Sounds like a straw man... of course there are various wealthy immigrants who do make a large contribution financially. There are also a huge number of immigrants who make no net contribution whatsoever, or indeed who are a net drain.

I didn't contest there was a number of immigants like that, but i wanted to know what evidence you used to come to the conclusion that the totals resulted in a negative effect because you certainly haven't posted anything conclusive so far

 

[vee70]

Wow your sounding more and more like good ole Nicky Griffen there DD??...you sure you arent his spokesman or something. He also likes to dodge certain questions as well and does it pretty good too.

Personally i wouldnt deport you for your views, i just have an extreme dislike for people who place more emphasis on someones culture or skin colour...its never made a blind bit of difference to me and unfortunately for you im here stealing all yo girlz...they like a bit of brown meat you see and dont have a problem dating an asian guy...but i guess your against that as well ie mixed relationships??.

Btw the stealing all yo girlz was a tongue in cheek comment....but it is true that i am lol

In terms of placing no emphasis on culture or skin colour would your peers be happy for you to marry a non muslim white girl who had no intention of converting?
Would you be happy for your sister to have some white meat?
Or is there a double standard at play?

 

[dirtydog]

See, at no point do I advocate removal of the safety net, what I have proposed many times over is the idea that if there is a minimum 'cost of living' if you like, then it should be given to everyone one way or another (hence the negative income tax model). This is the safety net in itself, your income can never drop below the minimum level. How you spend it might be an issue, but it will always be there, for everyone.

I wouldn't be that generous. In fact vouchers rather than cash might be a better idea.

I make a point of being honest about my views, even though I'm fully aware that some of them aren't popular, and that some of them lower my stock with those reading my posts. I feel everyone should be honest about their views when they are relevant to a thread like this. From what I know about your views, it's not impossible for you to express them with good accuracy without breaching the posting guidelines here, so I feel that instead of this constant dodging, you should just state your views openly and honestly, it might help people understand your position better.

Remember though that this thread is about the BNP, not about me - I am not a BNP politician and so don't speak for them, I can only speak for myself.

 

[Chronictank]

- snip -

If you can not be bothered to deal with facts and figures then I can't be bothered to spoon feed you.

And the usual drivvel comes out, if you really had anything conclusive it would not be too much effort to post a trackback to the page would it?

But instead you insult and droan on in your usual self-superior rhetoric,
how big of you.. lol

 

[semi-pro waster]

So does that then mean that someone could vote for the BNP despite not agreeing with them on some important policies? How would that sit with those who claim that all BNP voters are "stupid" or "scum"?

Given that the main distinguishing policies of the BNP when compared to any other party are those of race and immigration then it would be almost impossible to separate them from those policies and agree with their other policies that are not already propounded by another party who doesn't share the dubious racial overtones.

If that is what the other poster meant by "supporter" then I am clearly not a supporter of ANY political party....

I don't know if that is what the other poster meant or not, I'm only giving a non-exhaustive list of a few possible options as to why you might largely agree with the viewpoint of one party yet not vote for them or vote for another.