The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[d_brennen]

I vote BNP to be the first party on The Moon. They can make it "proper British" with pics of the Queen, lazy unemployed chavs everywhere and an overabundace of flags.

Seriously, in this day and age its a bit mad that people can feel so strongly about politics. Yes the BNP are run by some shady and quite frankly dangerous people. Is any other party any better? Because they don't say controversial things?

I'm not a BNP supporter but if I were to stand on a box a proclaim all people who look foreign should be deported, I'd end up in jail sooner or later. Unless, of course, I was foreign looking myslef, in which case I could shout whatever the hell I wanted.

Death to America! ALALLALALALLALALA

People get fed up of these kind of double standards, and voting BNP is a way the ill informed mark their dissatisfaction with mainstream parties and their policy of over doing the political correcness.

 

[Sankari]

I'm not a BNP supporter but if I were to stand on a box a proclaim all people who look foreign should be deported, I'd end up in jail sooner or later. Unless, of course, I was foreign looking myslef, in which case I could shout whatever the hell I wanted.

Death to America! ALALLALALALLALALA

The last people to do this were jailed for hate crimes.

Three men were each sentenced to six years in jail today for soliciting murder during a demonstration against an anti-Islamic cartoon.

Mizanur Rahman, 24, Umran Javed, 27, and Abdul Muhid, 25, were convicted during separate Old Bailey trials.

Judge Brian Barker, the Common Serjeant of London, said their words had been designed to encourage murder and terrorism.
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People get fed up of these kind of double standards

What double standards?

 

[eggyoke]

Its truly baffling to see that people simply cant debate an issue because they've been brainwashed by ridiculous levels of political correctness. When faced with issues such as racism people seem to just fold in from some sort of common-sense defying fear of the new-labor bogyman.

 

[Dolph]

Its truly baffling to see that people simply cant debate an issue because they've been brainwashed by ridiculous levels of political correctness. When faced with issues such as racism people seem to just fold in from some sort of common-sense defying fear of the new-labor bogyman.

While it is a problem, it is also worth noting that there are plenty of people who try to claim they are being unfairly victimised because of their views, when in actual fact their views are just being portrayed and evaluated honestly.

being racist isn't being non-pc, it's just being racist. I dislike political correctness, it's an authoritarian ideology designed to control how people think and behave, but I also dislike racist ideologies like that promoted by the BNP, because they are authoritarian ideologies designed to control how people behave...

 

[scorza]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/c...Immigration-insidious-conspiracy-silence.html

Good opinion piece by Max Hastings in the Mail today - he's only stating the obvious but for some reason the obvious cannot be stated by any of the mainstream political parties. I'll leave you with this:

The BNP will only be erased as a force from Britain's political landscape, as we should all hope that it will be, when those parties which seriously aspire to govern Britain present coherent, realistic immigration policies; when they address an issue about which much of the country cares more than the recession, health, education, Europe - the cultural identity and population stability of the island in which we live.

 

[Dolph]

Scorza, do you think the immigration policy should be race/skin colour based?

Would you feel that it's justified for the state to racially discriminate if the majority wanted it?

I wouldn't, on either question.

 

[scorza]

Scorza, do you think the immigration policy should be race/skin colour based?

Would you feel that it's justified for the state to racially discriminate if the majority wanted it?

I wouldn't, on either question.

I think that this country's immigration policy should be based on what is best for this country, not what is best for immigrants to this country. This is why I'm against the current immigration policy which discriminates against existing British citizens. There is no evidence that the current levels of immigration provide any benefit to the country whatsoever, so by your book shouldn't we not have the current policy?

 

[4T5]

LOL I made an account purely so that I could contact you and lend you an Xbox

I didn't even know it was You Mate.

Hope you stick around now your account is unbanned.

 

[dirtydog]

I didn't even know it was You Mate.

Hope you stick around now your account is unbanned.

Still permabanned at the mo - I hope VIRII will take JG up on his kind offer to hopefully reinstate him

 

[Dolph]

I think that this country's immigration policy should be based on what is best for this country, not what is best for immigrants to this country. This is why I'm against the current immigration policy which discriminates against white British people. There is no evidence that the current levels of immigration provide any benefit to the country whatsoever, so by your book shouldn't we not have the current policy?

I don't support the current immigration policy. I am somewhat confused about the statement of concern for 'white' British people. Are other coloured people in their 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation less British or less important?

I want what is best for Britian as a whole...

Edit: you edited while I was posting.

 

[Sankari]

This is why I'm against the current immigration policy which discriminates against existing British citizens.

How does it discriminate against existing British citizens?

 

[dirtydog]

Out of interest scorza, why the edit which is quite a significant change in meaning. Did you make a mistake the first time, or realise you'd be attacked for saying white British?

 

[scorza]

I don't support the current immigration policy. I am somewhat confused about the statement of concern for 'white' British people. Are other coloured people in their 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation less British or less important?

I want what is best for Britian as a whole...

Edit: you edited while I was posting.

Yeah I realised that "white British people" wasn't quite what I wanted to say so changed it to "existing British citizens". Sorry for the confusion. The current immigration problems stretch back to the 1950s when the two groups of people were very similar. Unfortunately it's rather difficult to undo now.

 

[wilsky]

being racist isn't being non-pc, it's just being racist. I dislike political correctness, it's an authoritarian ideology designed to control how people think and behave, but I also dislike racist ideologies like that promoted by the BNP, because they are authoritarian ideologies designed to control how people behave...

Dolph, racism is illegal is it not? If the BNP were promoting racist material they would be facing criminal charges. Let's not lose site of the facts here.

Are the UAF and searchlight not authoritarian, using violence to deny the BNP their legitimate voice to speak. They are the ones silencing people and trying to control how people behave.

The anti-facists are the real facists. As are the other posters on here who instantly dismiss anyone who votes BNP as racists and that the BNP is racist.
Maybe they are, but the police do not believe so, and the party is entirely legal.

They also got into power with a million votes. I imagine they would have got more if it were not for the fear of being attacked for voting for them.

These are the facts Dolph. This is the reality This is called democracy, something that you, and others here are unable to accept. You claim to be against the facists, yet seek to demonise and silence those who may vote for the BNP, whilst others are prepared to use violence against them. Despite them being a completely legal and legitimate party.

Once violence has been used (or even suggested) against a group whose opinion you do not like, you have lost any moral highground you claim to have and your argument is completely void.

 

[scorza]

Out of interest scorza, why the edit which is quite a significant change in meaning. Did you make a mistake the first time, or realise you'd be attacked for saying white British?

In my eyes it's not a particularly significant change, given that the set of British citizens are overwhelmingly white. I'm happy to accept that you don't have to be white to be given British citizenship - former Gurkhas for example are most welcome in my book.

 

[wilsky]

The Labou party is against the BNP. What they fail to understand is that the public are against terrorists being unable to be deported due to human rights claptrap.

The Labour party claims they are working on the immigration problem. Yet Jacqui Smith called in the police to ransack the opposition home secretary for leaking "national security" information. When in fact that information was found to be in interest of the nation to be released. She tried to cover up that the home office had actually employed illegal immigrants without properly vetting them.

Labour are liars at best, or totally incompetent at worst. The BNP offer to solve these issues, and these are mainstream issues that I believe the majority wants to be solved. Until one of the main parties gets a grip and sort these issues out then the BNP will only thrive. But of course the gaurdian readers and the UAF claim ANY discussion about immigration is racists. The far left are just as facist as the BNP. One of the main parties need to stand up and grow some, ignoring any minority groups claims of racism. If any of these groups use violence then they should be arrested as terrorists.

 

[p4radox]

Wilsky, I think most here would agree with your views on Labour, the real issue is who to vote for as an alternative.

The BNP, despite their new media-friendly appearance, are fundamentally racist. This has been shown numerous times in this thread with links to their constitution and with direct quotations from their leadership. The party also boasts a holocaust denier as their leader.

It comes down to this: is it acceptable to vote for these kind of racist bigots as a protest vote? Personally, I think not.

 

[wilsky]

Labour claim they are aiming for an inclusive society. Yet allow the creation of the BPA, by its very nature is divisive. Despite is ludicrous and contradictory claim that "black" does not mean "black" its overall aim is to promote the interests of black people in the police. If some of the police are racist, then the solution is to sack them, not allow a body to be set up that creates division.

Likewise Harriet Harmon as created a law where if all the applicants are equal, then an employer has to pick either a woman, an immigrant, or a gay person. (Which ever they are lowest on quotas for). How on Earth is that an inclusive society?

It amazes me that so many are unable to see why the BNP would do so well, when they seem the only party prepared to rectify these issues.

 

[wilsky]

It comes down to this: is it acceptable to vote for these kind of racist bigots as a protest vote? Personally, I think not.

If they were racist then they could be put in prison. I doubt a few posters on the Internet have more 'evidence' then the police could muster up. I'm in no doubt that Jacqui Smith has had the feelers out on the BNP to see if it could be shut down. As that hasn't happened then you have to accept the BNP are a legitimate party and are not racist and that people are completely entitled to vote for them without being accused of being racist.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but at the moment that is all it is. Nothing has been proven the BNP are racists.

And in the absence of any strong leadership by the opposition (mainly the tories) regarding these issue then the BNP is an entirely legitimate alternative for people who have concerns regarding these issues.

 

[p4radox]

If they were racist then they could be put in prison.

Racism is not illegal.

I doubt a few posters on the Internet have more 'evidence' then the police could muster up. I'm in no doubt that Jacqui Smith has had the feelers out on the BNP to see if it could be shut down. As that hasn't happened then you have to accept the BNP are a legitimate party and are not racist and that people are completely entitled to vote for them without being accused of being racist.

The BNP are racist. They do not allow anyone who isn't white to be a member. They call for the "voluntary repatriation" of everyone who isn't white.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but at the moment that is all it is. Nothing has been proven the BNP are racists.

Check out their constitution. Check out this link. This has all been discussed numerous times.

And in the absence of any strong leadership by the opposition (mainly the tories) regarding these issue then the BNP is an entirely legitimate alternative for people who have concerns regarding these issues.

As far as I'm concerned, it's only a legitimate alternative if you share their views on non-whites. Such a huge issue cannot be ignored in favour of their populist vote-grabbing lightweight policies.