not look good for public sector workers

yeah, I can't see how this number of redundancys will help matters. they need to chop the heads that will make a difference, not just large numbers but a surgical strike.
 
wordy said:
Because we chose a career path that is there to help & support our communities, not me someone else rich. And get paid a lot less than the private sector for the priviliege



Same, but I think your request will fall on deaf ears.
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& that justifies me & every other householder paying towards your pension does it ?
 
in the same way as other employers pay towards pension schemes (that they have to offer as required by LAW).

yes. the government is an employer.
 
They can get rid of most of the middle management jobs. Loads of people are employed just to make sure departments are meeting targets and whatnot. How about we leave people to get on with their jobs, not worry about targets, and save a shed load of money?
 
well instead of attacking front line staff why dont they stop management wasting money. NOMS spent £800m over five years on a new computer system. ive just been trained on it and it looks like something that could be knocked out in access. This is where they waste money, on half baked projects like P-NOMIS the £800m waste of space computer system for the prison service

or the £19m they spent on a new staff rostering tool, wtf was wrong with current systems
 
izzy eckerslike said:
& that justifies me & every other householder paying towards your pension does it ?
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are you really that naive?

lets think about this:

you give tesco money for food, they use part of that to fund their pension scheme.

you give the government money for providing hospitals/schools/defence etc, they use part of that to fund their pension scheme.

both provide a service, if you don't like the service, you don't buy tesco, you vote for someone else, its pretty simple to me.

The government is a business just like anything else, therefore they will pay pensions/bonuses like other businesses. It can't run as a charity.
 
I worked myself silly in the NHS, and had 2 months off with stress near the end because it was a horrific working environment of managers, amazingly bad external software and associated consultants and about two and a half times as much, as well as far more complex work to do than the private sector job I have now with a 20% pay increase. Most people in the public sector aren't managers, they just get slated by everyone and their dog because the good work they do makes for boring news. People can knock stress in the public sector all they want but when they can just about function because of it they will know the feeling. The most stressful and dangerous jobs in the economy are bye and large in the public sector and it goes a long way to explaining the rhetoric of people like Digby Jones banging on about sick levels.
 
BUSH said:
are you really that naive?

lets think about this:

you give tesco money for food, they use part of that to fund their pension scheme.

you give the government money for providing hospitals/schools/defence etc, they use part of that to fund their pension scheme.

both provide a service, if you don't like the service, you don't buy tesco, you vote for someone else, its pretty simple to me.

The government is a business just like anything else, therefore they will pay pensions/bonuses like other businesses. It can't run as a charity.
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You hit the flaw in your argument in your own post, we don't pay for council services, we have money taken from us for council services. You don't give money to the government, the government takes it from you. As such we have the right to demand the money is spent correctly and fairly, something that doesn't happen at the moment.

You've also forgot to mention the fact that public sector pensions are massively more costly than private ones, if they were being run like any other business, this would have changed by now, but when you don't have to justify your spending, and can force people to pay, efficiency always goes out of the window.

my response to the OP is that 335,000 is not enough to reduce the massive economic drag of our non-productive public sector.
 
Imagine the culling when the conservatives get in government!

Thats a big reason why there is always more (or if not more then a general high unemployment rate) unemployment with them in Government. They come in and clear out all the useless ******** who cling on in jobs with no meaning and drawing a nice fat pay check for it. Then they get voted out and Labour come back in and give everyone the none-jobs that serve no real purpose back. Bloating the public sector and seeing public spending going through the roof with it.

Then the conservatives get back in power again etc etc etc, you can see where this is going.
 
Dolph said:
You've also forgot to mention the fact that public sector pensions are massively more costly than private ones, if they were being run like any other business, this would have changed by now, but when you don't have to justify your spending, and can force people to pay, efficiency always goes out of the window.
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But tthis is in place of higher wages.

Public sector work is generally less pay sometimes considerably. But they get more Holliday and a better pension.

If you try and take their benefits a way. Expect public sector workers wages to rise dramatically.
 
AcidHell2 said:
But tthis is in place of higher wages.

Public sector work is generally less pay sometimes considerably. But they get more Holliday and a better pension.

If you try and take their benefits a way. Expect public sector workers wages to rise dramatically.
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If the pensions were funded properly, I wouldn't mind quite so much, but the fact is that they are funded as a ponzi scheme, which is intolerable in any way.
 
I would just like to furhter add. People are right about the management and hangers on, but there are a lot of other people like myself that get lumbered with all the work thats way beyond our pay scale and dont get thanked for it. The only bonus is knowing that one day i'll get a good pension.

And its not 60 Retirement anymore, its already changed to 65, just so people know. Well i say its completly changed its a bit of a muddle for people retiring now and in the next few years but after that its 65.
 
BUSH said:
are you really that naive?

lets think about this:

you give tesco money for food, they use part of that to fund their pension scheme.

you give the government money for providing hospitals/schools/defence etc, they use part of that to fund their pension scheme.

both provide a service, if you don't like the service, you don't buy tesco, you vote for someone else, its pretty simple to me.

The government is a business just like anything else, therefore they will pay pensions/bonuses like other businesses. It can't run as a charity.
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How can you possibly compare like with like & then call me naive ?

If you don't pay Council tax yourself them maybe the impact wouldn't have hit you, the £48 per week council tax we pay is a big chunk from our meagre income , the bloke & his wife across the road live in a smaller older terraced house & they pay £945 a year against our £2400+, we still use the same services etc but are you going to tell me it's my fault for living in a more expensive house & I should 'shop' elsewhere for a rundown terrace house?
The reason council tax rises yearly whereas services don't improve is simply to make the pension shortfall & it's not right & no matter which party is in power it won't alter this fact,
I bet there'd be some running for cover & mass protests from quite a few of you if the Tories got into power & resurrected the POLL TAX so that all of you paid a share of the council running costs !!
 
wordy said:
Fine, pay me the going rate for private sector workers doing my job. Bet you'd moan about paying that aswell.
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Demonstrate your productivity in your role to the wider economy, and I'll happily pay you your worth.
 
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