**Summer Transfer Thread: News, Rumours and Speculation**

HangTime said:
That said, he didn't manage it and Eto'o's record is obviously more impressive anyway as La Liga has a golden boot weighting of 2 compared to 1.5 for Eredivisie.
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I think your ratios are borked, Kezman won the Golden Boot in the Eredivisie one year which reduces it drastically.
 
HangTime said:
You've already got Keane, Defoe, Bent and Pavlechenko. I'd be more concerned about getting hold of a proper left winger.
That said no doubt Harry will try and buy Peter Crouch :)
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Keane can't play with Defoe
Pavlyuchenko doesn't seem suited to Prem but would like to give him another year
Bent misses 10 for every 1 he scores
Defoe - He's a yiddo. :)
 
What worries me with Arsenal is if you look at who's been playing the most games this season. Of the midfielders and forwards, the only ones who played over 30 league games were:

Denilson
Song
Bendtner

Now I challenge you guys to look at the rest of the big 4 and find 3 players at each club with less talent than those guys who made over 30 league appearances. Heck you can probably extend that to the alsorans like Everton, Villa, Man City and Spurs and be struggling.

In the days when Arsenal were last actually winning the league, we had solid backup players like Fabregas, Van Persie, Reyes, Edu, Keown etc. Is Denilson the new Fabregas (or even Flamini)? Is Song the new Vieira (or even Gilberto)? Is Bendtner the new Henry (or even RvP)? I don't think so.
 
JohnnyG said:
I think your ratios are borked, Kezman won the Golden Boot in the Eredivisie one year which reduces it drastically.
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From Wiki: The weightings are determined by the league's ranking on the UEFA coefficients, which in turn depend on the results of each league's clubs in European competition over the previous five seasons. Goals scored in the top five leagues according to the UEFA coefficients list are multiplied by a factor of two, and goals scored in the leagues ranked six to 21 are multiplied by 1.5.[5]

Kezman has never won it, Roy Makaay did once but that was a few years back when Eredivisie was one of the top 5 leagues, they've since been overtaken by France due to the exploits of Monaco and Lyon iirc.

Interesting aside, Kevin Phillips is the only Englishman ever to have won it.
 
HangTime said:
From Wiki: The weightings are determined by the league's ranking on the UEFA coefficients, which in turn depend on the results of each league's clubs in European competition over the previous five seasons. Goals scored in the top five leagues according to the UEFA coefficients list are multiplied by a factor of two, and goals scored in the leagues ranked six to 21 are multiplied by 1.5.[5]

Kezman has never won it, Roy Makaay did once but that was a few years back when Eredivisie was one of the top 5 leagues, they've since been overtaken by France due to the exploits of Monaco and Lyon iirc.
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Well **** me, I thought you were joking about the weightings, didn't realise it was a real rating system:o:p
Could've sworn Kezman was the leading scoring in the Eredivisie one year though:)
 
It's actually called the Golden Shoe, I got it wrong :)

Basically they brought in a weighting a while back because you had players from Mickey Mouse leagues in places like Scotland (;)) and Eastern Europe blasting in 30+ a season with no trouble, so they wanted to bias it slightly in favour of the stronger leagues.

Essentially this makes it very hard for a Dutch player to win.... say a guy in Italy/England/Spain/Germany/France gets 30 goals, in Holland you'd need to get 40 just be level with them.

As an aside, while it's true that some players who've scored highly in Holland haven't always translated that into success in other leagues (Kezman, Alves etc), we should remember that the likes of Van Basten, Bergkamp and Van Nistelrooy were able to do so, and nobody can knock their pedigree.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Rooney got 12 goals, Bendtner, with FAR less pitch time, got 9........ hmmm.

As for Eduardo, he's largely not starting at Arsenal because Wengers a big turd, theres also the little fact that someone smashed his leg into two separate pieces, the few games he's played since being back, he's scored some of the best goals of the season. Its not his fault Wenger constantly plays our worst striker and refuses to fire the most incompetant medical staff in the known world. If he was at Barca, he'd get rotation games, if Eto'o left, yes he'd be starting. He'd easily start at Utd, and Liverpool and without question Real Madrid.

Maybe you want to watch him play before judging him, I don't know anyone whose SEEN HIM PLAY who doesn't think he's one of the best finishers in the game.

But then again, you're saying Bendtner is crap despite almost scoring as many as Rooney, you call him a target man, which he's not, and you say Tevez is a nippy quick forwards and you pay more for that(I guess indicating you expect more goals from Tevez) despite the fact Tevez got 5, and Bendtner got 9, yes, almost twice the amount of goals.

Just to point out, he's a withdrawn striker, for his country, and in things like the worthless cup he is played as the support striker creating goals, which is his best position, as I pointed out he got 9 assists playing that role for his international team. For Arsenal he's been played mostly alongside Ade, who offers very little interplay with any other striker, or lone striker(its not his role) left wing, right wing, central attacking mid.

The "6 game run" was at the point where the club was dying, the one good game(lucky) against Utd but lost to Stock, Villa and City, this was, if you know, the time where the ENTIRE TEAM was playing like absolute crap, we were a joke, Gallas had his public outburst and Wenger threw him out of the team. Blaming him not scoring on our worst 2 weeks of the season is a bit of a joke. I didn't call Rooney crap because the whole team was pathetic in the champs league final, because that would be equally as stupid.
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Oh goodness me I honestly dont know where to start with that little lot

Firstly comparing Bendtner's league goals with Rooney's and suggesting he's even half the player Rooney is just shows how little about football you know. Kevin Davies scored as many league Goals as Rooney last season does that make him as good a player as well then?

As for Eduardo he may be seen as this great finisher but for many Ole Solskjaer was the best finisher at United but that fact didn't get him a game every week did it. I guarantee you now that Eduardo would not be a regular starter ahead of Rooney & Berbatov at United. He wouldn't of got in ahead of Tevez either
 
BaZ87 said:
Really? I just thought he talks rubbish.
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Only reason I can see for all the love Eduardo has received.

Drunkenmaster finds it very hard to accept anyone else's point of view, if it's different from his.

As do a lot of other posters on here :(
 
The beauty of an internet forum is that if you have a different view to someone, you can write out your opinions and rebuffals at your leisure without it getting personal. If someone doesn't accept my point of view, that's no big deal because I can still lay mine out again, something you can't always do in real life. Debate is the lifeblood of a forum.

DM gets a lot of stick from the 'wall of text' brigade but the reality is that at least if someone writes out a decent length post you can take something out of it (even if that's just picking up on statements you believe to be wrong). Far better than the throwaway remarks you see from many who seem to believe that there's something wrong with writing more than 3 sentences per post. I don't put as much time into some of my posts as I did in the old days but I like seeing people write stuff that fills up at least half the screen.

I strongly disagree with some of his views but there are others that I agree with, you just have to take a balanced view and judge every statement on merit rather than just looking at the name and thinking "oh it's him he's always talking excrement"
 
I usually also read DMs posts, even if I disagree with them all.

The only thing that bugs me about them is just they have no structure and it hurts my eyes, but he is getting better at that and paragraphing a lot more, so it's not so bad anymore.

I enjoy his rants after games :D
 
Bucket said:
I enjoy his rants after games :D
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I did until I realised he just cuts and pastes the same thing everytime.

Most of his posts after a game can be summarised like so:

Excellent
Eboue
Bendtner

Good
Gallas

Bad
Theo
Diaby
Denilson

Very Bad
Wenger

Child Murderer
Adebayor

It's a shame his view of football is so knackered because he posts some intelligent and well thought out stuff in the gym threads.

Edit: Edited for clarity.
 
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