**Summer Transfer Thread: News, Rumours and Speculation**

You are so inconsistant with your criticism. You talk about others passing badly, you obviously didnt watch him very carefully. He was so bad in one game, he got subbed when he WAS the sub.

That was so unjust that game, i felt so sorry for him. That should never had happened!

Bottom line is he's decent player and very good backup RB. Would happily have him in my squad, seems like he's a decent professional and just gets on with the job!
 
And me, his name may as well be David Bellion

I'm so depressed about this signing :( Why are we wasting our time? :mad:

I think its just a punt on a youngster to stick in the reserves and see what happens.
I would most likely think he will never be heard of again.
 
Not sure if its been reported....or the accuracy

14.52 Former Valencia president Vicente Soriano has stated that the club are under no pressure to sell their stars after receiving a €500million (£432m) boost

from ssn
 
That was so unjust that game, i felt so sorry for him. That should never had happened!

Bottom line is he's decent player and very good backup RB. Would happily have him in my squad, seems like he's a decent professional and just gets on with the job!

He's good enough to be a first choice right back at a big team imo, just not a team competing for the top honours as he does make mistakes due to general lack of intelligence/rush of blood to the head. With a full season of first team football under his belt I'm sure he'll get back to his old self, most people under estimate how hard it is when you're in and out of the team, playing the last 10 minutes etc. etc.
 
Btw does this latest signing mean that Man Utd won't be buying a big name striker? (apart from Owen!)

It must mean he's going to add depth to the midfield instead, or just keep all of the cash!
 
Absolutley, you cant find any rythm that way. Also, the back four needs to be the same 4 players. Its an art to keep the back four working like a well oiled machine. It doesnt happen over night!
 
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Its not how many times, it was the stupid things he did to get sent off in important games instead of taking a backseat.

You are so inconsistant with your criticism. You talk about others passing badly, you obviously didnt watch him very carefully. He was so bad in one game, he got subbed when he WAS the sub.

Again you're wrong, he had been injured for almost 4 months on and off, injured for 2 months full stop, he was SUPPOSED to be on the pitch on his first game back without any reserve duty for a max of 20 mins. Normally people get run outs for match fitness in reserves before first team, other first team injuries meant he was put on the bench. he came on after 25-30mins. he was fine for 45-50 minutes(double what he was supposed to have played) and was only terrible for 10 minutes. The WHOLE team was playing badly and they had no excuse, he was utterly shattered and at least was trying. Wenger hung him out to dry, we had better fitter options on the bench, its insane a just back from injury player was risked as badly as he was.

But thats what we come to expect from Wenger, risking injured players and making our injury problems worse. As for 10 whole terrible minutes, I don't see Vidic being berated for 2 of the worst mistakes in the league this year causing a huge loss to Liverpool. He had 2-3 truly awful games this year from start to finish, he made some poor mistakes against Spurs that could have cost them the game, he was no where to be seen in the champs league final. But because Eboue, unfit and not match ready was played 3 times as long as he should have been and had a bad 10 minutes, he should be judged on those 10 minutes alone?

Nor were his sendings off in important games, nor is the 2 in his career for us over 5 years anything to get upset about. Considering Vidic I believe was sent off 2 or more times this year alone, and RVP has been sent off more times(quite a few I think) than Eboue getting all uppity about a guy who got sent off once in 25 appearances in the league with NO yellow cards a bad thing.

Everyone has a bad game here and there, I don't EVER call a player bad for having ONE bad game, even then if theres some kind of circumstances its ever more stupid to talk about that single game. For instance I saw Melo play a good what 7 games, and was woeful in each and every one, even then i made specific mention to the fact I hadn't seen him elsewhere and that its a limited opinion, maybe he is better than he was in the Cup.

Just a quick comparison, I knew Vidic had been sent off so I checked Utd's stats, there isn't a year that Rooney hasn't had more yellows/red's than Eboue has had. Vidic was sent off twice and once in the world club cup, with 12 yellows in the league. Evra has most seasons gotten more red's and yellows than Eboue has gotten. Someone argueing against his discipline, because he's had 2 red's in 5 years, thats incredibly low for most players to be perfectly honest.
 
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It didn't happen all year for Arsenal :p. I think that Arsenal have quality defenders that just don't work as a unit, Wenger really needs to get a top defensive coach in to sort out the mis-communication/lack of team work in the defence.
 
Nah, there definatley lacking a bit of steel. Your right tho in the fact there not working as a unit aswell.
 
I think its just a punt on a youngster to stick in the reserves and see what happens.
I would most likely think he will never be heard of again.

And what is the point in that?

Him signing for whatever reason puts him in the record books as being a Manchester United player, I would have thought after Bellion & Djemba x2 we'd of learnt our lesson wasting time and money on these unknowns who's current employers are quite openly saying they're not good enough for us

I'm willing to be optimistic about replacing Ronaldo with Valencia and Tevez with Owen but come on Fergie seriously where do you see this one going? I'd much rather see the time and effort put into developing Welbeck and Macheda
 
Btw does this latest signing mean that Man Utd won't be buying a big name striker? (apart from Owen!)

It must mean he's going to add depth to the midfield instead, or just keep all of the cash!

We were never going to spend the entire 80 million that we got for Ronaldo and when we lost out on our top transfer target Benzema we were never going to spend any of it on other lesser targets

I fully believe that going into this summer Fergie had 4 targets - Valencia (regardless of whether Ronaldo was going or not) Benzema (regardless of whether Tevez was going or not) Tevez & Owen. We've got 2 out of the 4
 
Its all about risk, you win some, you lose some! Its the nature of football. What about Rooney at £30m had never worked out.
 
Wasn't Wenger, who supposedly is so rash at playing injured players, also supposed to have played Eduardo much sooner back from injury?

Talk about can't win :p
 
And what is the point in that?

Him signing for whatever reason puts him in the record books as being a Manchester United player, I would have thought after Bellion & Djemba x2 we'd of learnt our lesson wasting time and money on these unknowns who's current employers are quite openly saying they're not good enough for us

I'm willing to be optimistic about replacing Ronaldo with Valencia and Tevez with Owen but come on Fergie seriously where do you see this one going? I'd much rather see the time and effort put into developing Welbeck and Macheda

Have you actually seen this Obertan playing? Apparently he has a lot of raw talent and perhaps just needs the coaching United have to bring it out. Furthermore, SAF has been in regulary contact with Blanc about the progress of the young lad and his potential. Even if he is a flop £3 million is hardly going to hurt, well in comparison to the £17m we splashed out on Nani.

To be honest I'd much rather signings like this than spending god knows how much on Ribery who to be quite frank is not that good.
 
Have you actually seen this Obertan playing? Apparently he has a lot of raw talent and perhaps just needs the coaching United have to bring it out. Furthermore, SAF has been in regulary contact with Blanc about the progress of the young lad and his potential. Even if he is a flop £3 million is hardly going to hurt, well in comparison to the £17m we splashed out on Nani.

To be honest I'd much rather signings like this than spending god knows how much on Ribery who to be quite frank is not that good.

No I've never seen him play, never even heard of him before yesterday but Blanc doesn't think he's there and nor did this French Football expert on talkSport

Nani will come good you just wait and see ;)
 
We were never going to spend the entire 80 million that we got for Ronaldo and when we lost out on our top transfer target Benzema we were never going to spend any of it on other lesser targets

I fully believe that going into this summer Fergie had 4 targets - Valencia (regardless of whether Ronaldo was going or not) Benzema (regardless of whether Tevez was going or not) Tevez & Owen. We've got 2 out of the 4

Well in a case like this, he is trying to "do a wenger".
But forgetting even Wenger hasnt "done a wenger" and found a superstar player from nowhere in nearly 5 years.

So if the guy who has made his name at doing it struggles to do it, how does Fergie with his 0% success rate so far think he can do better.
I dont know either, all players have to start out young, but I actually agree with DM on this point, all the great players were obviously fantastic when they where young, average young players very very rarely go on to be anything other than that.
 
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It didn't happen all year for Arsenal :p. I think that Arsenal have quality defenders that just don't work as a unit, Wenger really needs to get a top defensive coach in to sort out the mis-communication/lack of team work in the defence.

Nah, there definatley lacking a bit of steel. Your right tho in the fact there not working as a unit aswell.

Yet worked fine the year before, our defence is more than fine, SAgna wasn't as good as the year before and had a few awful performances like against Liverpool(most of the goals came down that wing and he made an easy clearance into a perfect across the box assist for someone). All the goals are lack of midfielders being tracked into the box, almost every crucial goal conceded was from more opposition players in the box than defenders, again Liverpool being a clear example. 4 defenders can't mark 6 players, theres been one key change in the squad, DM. Fix the DM, the "defensive problem" gets fixed.


AS for Eduardo not being rushed back, its the first case of player not rushed back before he should have been since Wengers arrived, if he has finally learned his lesson, its incredibly late. We've had a ridiculous number of injuries from rushing players back in, Rosicky, multiple times, to name the worst.
 
No I've never seen him play, never even heard of him before yesterday but Blanc doesn't think he's there and nor did this French Football expert on talkSport

Nani will come good you just wait and see ;)

I do have some hope for Nani yes, but honestly TalkSport that's a load of tosh. I personally have not seen anything of this player except the odd youtube clip, however i'm not going to write the lad off before he has kicked a ball. I'll trust SAF's judgement and then we will ultimately see how good the lad is.
 
Again you're wrong, he had been injured for almost 4 months on and off, injured for 2 months full stop, he was SUPPOSED to be on the pitch on his first game back without any reserve duty for a max of 20 mins. Normally people get run outs for match fitness in reserves before first team, other first team injuries meant he was put on the bench. he came on after 25-30mins. he was fine for 45-50 minutes(double what he was supposed to have played) and was only terrible for 10 minutes. The WHOLE team was playing badly and they had no excuse, he was utterly shattered and at least was trying. Wenger hung him out to dry, we had better fitter options on the bench, its insane a just back from injury player was risked as badly as he was.

Do you even read peoples post or do you just steam in ignorantly? How am I wrong, I said he was a sub and got subbed because he was playing badly. Just because you have your own opinions doesnt mean they are right. But you can not say I am wrong when its a fact that happened.

Shame you dont take other peoples opinions on board, you instead decide to attack without thinking, much like eboue.

You defend players like Eboue because he works hard for the team and then think you know more than Wenger does about managing a professional football team. There are plenty of hard working players in the lower leagues, doesnt mean they deserve a starting place in a CL team.

So I am sorry but it is you that is wrong on this occassion. Sorry to break it to you :rolleyes:

But thats just my opinion. I dont think he is good enough but I dont mind him as a RB backup which is where he should stay.
 
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