**Summer Transfer Thread: News, Rumours and Speculation**

[Tom84]

Meh, doesn't mean he's not the best at finding talent for cheap. I never said he was the best all round manager, just that he's excellent at finding young players that turn into world class talents. You're obviously trying to bait me into some silly argument about who's the best etc. but you were the one who was wrong yet instead of admitting you were wrong you're trying to say he's rubbish and we haven't won anything for 5 years, maybe he is rubbish after all and the invincibles season was fluke, I accept that, but that doesn't alter the fact that he's excellent at spotting talent.

Calm down mate as I said I was joking with you

 

[Tom84]

Who has said we have the BEST player in any position? I think people have mentioned World Class but no one has said best player in multiple positions. Give us some quotes before you rant on making false comments.

You really think I'm going to go through the entire of this thread looking for quotes from DM and jakeke both claiming Fabregas to be the best player in the world in his position? Christ just look through the last couple of pages and you can see jakeke saying Sagna is the best in his position

So they're not false comments at all

 

[Trusty]

He asked me what makes me think Wenger is lucky and not just very good

So my tongue in cheek answer was because he hasn't won anything for 5 years he cant be very good

Was a joke

I thought you were talking about Sagna as that is who we were talking about.

 

[Gustov]

Don't see what all the fuss is over Sagna, sure he's a decent player but I wouldn't call him world class.

As a biased Chelsea fan I'd take Bosingwa over him every time.

 

[Shamikebab]

I think Bosingwa is better than Sagna as well. I'd put Maicon above him as well off the top of my head.

 

[Gustov]

I think Bosingwa is better than Sagna as well. I'd put Maicon above him as well off the top of my head.

Same, as I said, a good player but Jakeke seems to rate him ridiculously highly and then bombard anyone who disagrees.

Hell I rate Wes Brown/Gold (Bake Bean) over Sagna. Yes I did just say that. The season united won the CL and League he was top draw.

 

[SMN]

Brown on his day can be the best right back in the league, lord knows he's big enough and good enough defensively and offensively!

 

[Gustov]

Brown on his day can be the best right back in the league, lord knows he's big enough and good enough defensively and offensively!

I'd say his offensive abilities are what stop him from being the 'best'.

He's exceptional defensively though and as said I'd have him in my team over Sagna any day.

 

[BaZ87]

Sagna is miles better than Brown and imo better that Bosingwa too. I've not seen enough of Maicon to give a proper opinion but he was **** in both games vs Liverpool the other season and didn't look anything special against United last season.

edit: Oh and Valdano's said that as it stands, Alonso doesn't fit into Real's budget and that they're miles off our valuation

 

[jakeke]

Meh you guys have your opinions but there was a reason Sagna was voted RB of the year over Brown/Bosingwa and co. The best 2 in the league are Bosingwa and Sagna for sure. There's a shortage of talent at RB worldwide atm and while Sagna isn't the very best player you'll see, he's solid, consistent, and reliable and his plaudits are well deserved. To say Brown is the better player though is pretty mad in my opinion

 

[jakeke]

Calm down mate as I said I was joking with you

Sorry, I lost the ability to mind read a while ago

 

[jakeke]

Moving on .. http://www.arsenal-highlights.co.uk...ield-star-spotted-at-arsenal-training-ground/ ! Maybe 2 DM's in the pipeline?

 

[Tom84]

Name the 5 above him then.

Saying he's not in the top 5 is just ridiculous.

Maicon
Bosingwa
Alves
Lahm

There's 4 in world stakes who are all far better than Sagna, I also think Johnson is better than him also (but cant bring myself to possible think of him as one of the best in the world). I also wouldn't have him ahead of our own Wes Brown either.

 

[Tom84]

Meh you guys have your opinions but there was a reason Sagna was voted RB of the year over Brown/Bosingwa and co.

Well that's hardly fair Bosingwa wasn't even playing in the Premiership when Sagna got into the team of the year

Anyway seeing as you're banging on about him being in the PFA Team of the Year since when did those awards mean anything? They certainly didn't mean anything when you were all complaining about Giggs winning Player of the Year

Funny how things change to suite your argument aint it

you'll see, he's solid, consistent, and reliable and his plaudits are well deserved.

So's Arbeloa, you're not suggesting he's one of the best as well are you

To say Brown is the better player though is pretty mad in my opinion

Why? Better defender - check. Better going forward - maybe not but he's certainly not bad in that area and RB's are predominantly meant to be defenders

 

[Trusty]

So's Arbeloa, you're not suggesting he's one of the best as well are you

Your nitpicking! No Arbaloa is not as good as Sagna. No Brown is not as good as Sagna. Is this not reason that Ferguson is in the market for a decent RB?

 

[DanH84]

erm?

 

[atpbx]

Is this not reason that Ferguson is in the market for a decent RB?

He's in the market for a decent right back because none of our current ones are ever fit.

Which is just as bad as them being rubbish i suppose.

 

[Tom84]

Your nitpicking! No Arbaloa is not as good as Sagna. No Brown is not as good as Sagna. Is this not reason that Ferguson is in the market for a decent RB?

Is he? Who have we been linked with in that position this summer?

 

[Ripper]

What RB are we after?

 

[drunkenmaster]

I find it a little funny that he was voted as being a better right back than Bosingwa, before Bosingwa was in the league, unless you meant he was voted best right back in the world.

He was beyond superb last year, this year he was iffy at best, he was rushed back end of season after injury and doesn't seem to be the same. Defensively he had MANY very bad games, liverpool being the worst of the lot. His crossing is hopeless, his overlap play, well he doesn't seem willing but then with Theo as "defensive cover" should it go wrong I'd be hesitant to get forwards. He wasn't in Bosingwa's class this year, there are better right backs compared to this seasons form.

Alves, Ramos aren't them, Maicon I'm unsure of, frequent poor passing in the confed cup, not that special in big games I've seen but its a glimpse, he might be fantastic. Alves and Ramos are both attrocious defensively, is it a surprise Barca looked STRONGER in defence in the final without him, not even slightly.

If Sagna gets to his first season form he could well be the best in the world, this seasons form was far from that though, but again defending with great cover from a winger makes you look better, or lacking that player, makes you look worse. The single time Bosingwa was wrongly accused of being poor against Utd he had no help in a 2 on 1, they passed it between them and he had no chance. The problem is Sagna smegged up plenty in one on one's and poor clearances, horrible crossing which is just down to him.

Boswingwa this year was better defensively, offensively, fitter, faster, passing and crossing. Even with Sagna on peak form he still can't cross and hasn't got the shot that Bosingwa has either. Defensively Sagna might be stronger, on form, this year he was certainly not.