No wonder it's so easy to get fat these days

platypus said:
How do you not feel hungry though?
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I have found that hunger is mostly in the mind.

For example, when I first started I was out and about and saw a bag of Crunchie Nuggets and would possibly have strangled someone for them.

I wasn't hungry when I saw them, hungry when I did and when I didn't buy them and left the shop, I wasn't hungry again.

I won't stay on the plan that's for sure and will replace a shake with some chicken / tuna in due course and a healthy meal for dinner.

I am using a degree of self-discipline that I thought I didn't have.
 
Saw that ages ago, the amount of sugar in stuff is amazing when, some items say per 1/4 pack. now i check all and even the ingredients you'll be surprised at how many healthy foods have added sugar.
Anything with over 1.5% sugar i dont buy, anything with added sugar i will not buy, even brown or multi seeds bread has added sugar.
 
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You're on a diet, yet you have crisps and digestive biscuits?
Does not compute.

It's not so much the pre packed chicken salad sandwiches you have but the crap you are stuffing in between :D
 
Shicky said:
Something doesn't need clear evidence to be unhealthy, just use logic. You're putting your body into an extreme phase of dieting, im not 100% sure but don't you need to limit your carbs to under a certain figure, say 40g? Therefore depriving your body of decent fruit and veg. Of course pushing your body to lose weight by starving it is going to have consequences, your body is going to eat ANYTHING it can to survive, fat isnt always readily available, muscle etc will be eaten too.
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What extreme phase of dieting are you going about?

Also who said you can't eat veg or a piece of fruit?

KETO also doesn't mean cutting calories.

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You can eat what you want as long as you stay within your macros and don't come out of ketosis.
 
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JBuk said:
The keto diet isn't about starving the body, infact you can gain weight using keto just as easy as lose it, I think your above post shows some ignornace about the diet

It's about switching the body to using fat as it's main energy source which is achievable by eating a ratio of protein/fat/carb

Keto is also not a "rapid" weight loss diet, just like any diet it depends on the amount of calorie intake, the first week or two *will* see a lot of weight lost but this is water weight that has been retained in the body.

Please have a good read up on keto before being so quick to dismiss it :)
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Actually I have pretty indepth knowledge of it as I have read lots on it and followed the anabolic diet for some time, which is essentially the same thing. I guess im not giving you enough credit in terms of knowing what you're doing so fair shout and apologys.

My issue is that many wont approach this type of diet with the same sense you have, they use it as a quick fire solution because well at heart thats what it is. As Freefaller stated, the problem with it lies in the fact its just not sustainable. Sure you can conquer the carb craving but while on this method of eating, but this came at the price of less endurance/stamina. It also had me feeling sluggish due to the lack of fruit and veg.

I realise that its about switching your body to fat as its main fuel source but im sorry, the human body isnt that simple. Just because your body burns fat most of the time doesn't mean its going to grab fat under a period of starvation, your body will eat anything it can get its hands on quickly.

*I think people are getting a bit confused here, I was never bashing the keto diet, though I don't think its the best option admittedly. I took issue with the fact von smallhausen/Doctor Zhivago were having very small calorie meals early in the day and the big meal at night. (some sort of slimfast diet it seems)
 
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I did Keto/Atkins for nearly a year and the only time I didn't have fruit/veg was for the initial 2 weeks where carbs must be absolute minimal. (20g per day)

After that it was fine. No lethargy, no sluggishness.

Everyone who nay-says it seems to only ever consider the (incorrect) extremes and never what you are actually going to do whilst on it.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
I did Keto/Atkins for nearly a year and the only time I didn't have fruit/veg was for the initial 2 weeks where carbs must be absolute minimal. (20g per day)

After that it was fine. No lethargy, no sluggishness.

Everyone who nay-says it seems to only ever consider the (incorrect) extremes and never what you are actually going to do whilst on it.
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The highest I remember being told to consume was 40g of carbs a day. IMO this is not enough, I eat about 400g of veg with 4/6 meals, eat plenty of fruit and use greens throughout the day. I don't think anyone should deprive themself of fruit/veg
 
Von Smallhausen said:
I have found that hunger is mostly in the mind.

For example, when I first started I was out and about and saw a bag of Crunchie Nuggets and would possibly have strangled someone for them.

I wasn't hungry when I saw them, hungry when I did and when I didn't buy them and left the shop, I wasn't hungry again.

I won't stay on the plan that's for sure and will replace a shake with some chicken / tuna in due course and a healthy meal for dinner.

I am using a degree of self-discipline that I thought I didn't have.
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Me too, Mind over Matter.

I walk pass KFC on the way home everyday, and i manage to resist it everyday (except last Friday when i made a decision to go nuts, first one in 4 months). Like just now also, I picked up lunch, egg and potatoe Salad from M&S, 150cal. :p I replaced the salad cream dressing with a little drizzle of olive oil and balsamic vinegar and dipping bits of the salad in the left over houmous from yesterday.

This morning i've only had 3 nectarines so far, and drank 1 cup of tea with lemon. The best thing about this is, I am enjoying it all, it's all in the mind.
 
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Shicky said:
The highest I remember being told to consume was 40g of carbs a day. IMO this is not enough, I eat about 400g of veg with 4/6 meals, eat plenty of fruit and use greens throughout the day. I don't think anyone should deprive themself of fruit/veg
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400g of veg != 400g carbs. If you're going to compare, do it fairly and not put a bias on it.

Keto diets don't set actuals, except for the initial "purge" fortnight. It's emphasis is actually on you listening to what your body is telling you. I.e. increase the intake until you stop losing/start gaining then lower it a bit, eventually finding a balance. Far too many want a simple ToDo sheet for their diet without considering the bare fact of their body is not a simple machine, it is a vastly complex organism and will be unique from everyone else... though ironically these same people will use that as their 'excuse' for being unfit in the first place.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
400g of veg != 400g carbs. If you're going to compare, do it fairly and not put a bias on it.
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I know mate, unfortunately I haven't calorie counted in some time so I can't tell you what it is in carbs but i'd consume 120g+ purely from fruit/veg and trace on stuff or the odd bit of sauce.

Fair play if its a lot more adaptable than what I have in my head, but surely when you push carbs much beyond 40g, you'll be moving yourself out of ketosis? That was my understanding anyway, not that its a bad thing, a more balanced diet is the way to go in my eyes.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
400g of veg != 400g carbs. If you're going to compare, do it fairly and not put a bias on it.

Keto diets don't set actuals, except for the initial "purge" fortnight. It's emphasis is actually on you listening to what your body is telling you. I.e. increase the intake until you stop losing/start gaining then lower it a bit, eventually finding a balance. Far too many want a simple ToDo sheet for their diet without considering the bare fact of their body is not a simple machine, it is a vastly complex organism and will be unique from everyone else... though ironically these same people will use that as their 'excuse' for being unfit in the first place.
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400 grams of carbs = 1600 calories. Maths lesson for today :).
 
This is where calorie counting fails as eating 400kcals of broccoli v 400kcal of chocolate is a very different prospect
 
Shicky said:
This is where calorie counting fails as eating 400kcals of broccoli v 400kcal of chocolate is a very different prospect
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it works perfectly fine if you're not just scoffing junk food, it's the same as BMI, it works perfectly fine if you're not an extreme (ie weightlifter who would weigh more due to the extra muscle bulk)
 
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