Absolutely FUMING (Arrogant GPs)

Durzel said:
Tough s***, I'll debate it where I like.

You haven't refuted a single point I've made...
more b.s.
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i have said everything there is to say to you. Say whatever you want mate. I have outlined your b.s. logic in 3 lines which you have completely ignored but somehow still happy to dwell on baa baa black sheep.

Just because you say something is racist does not make it so, regardless of how many times you say "strawman" or claim there's a contradiction when there isn't one. Just because you are more persistant and willing to repeat the same weak points again and again in the same post does not make you correct.

You are entitled to your own interpretations (however warped they may be) of whatever you read, but it seems you are in the minority here and are flogging a dead horse. I'm sitting here on my internet phone arguing strawmen with some idiot who won't give up on a thread i've created. I really don't care about anything you have further to say as you have not said anything new in the last 3 replies. But if you want to continue posting here go ahead if it gives you that much satisfaction. :rolleyes:

In the meantime I'm going to carry on with my life and see how my dad's doing in hospital, so go ahead and claim "victory" if that'll shut you up, i'm getting kinda bored of repeating myself.
 
I haven't read the whole thread, but I have to agree with Durzel. The line about (possibly) receiving different care if you were Indian is a bit of a joke. I also have a high respect for GPs and although we all want the right diagnosis, it won't always happen.
 
Heofz said:
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Carry on pretending not to care whilst harbouring foundationless racist viewpoints champ!

Again, nothing refuted. Shame.

I'm glad we got to the bottom of that, OP unable or unwilling to explain how saying:
Heofz said:
I do wonder if any of this would have happened if my dad was Indian. I'm sure he would have been treated as if he was "in the club" so to speak, and all of this could have been avoided because the GP actually cares about a "familiar".
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...could be considered as anything but racist.

I'm slightly disappointed that my previous call turned out to be wrong, I only ended up getting the "whole post condensed into a negative comment" bit on the money. Ah well, a win is still a win.
 
surely it's 50/50 that either it's heofz is racist or that he's actaully right and his doctor is a racist.

or can't Indians be racist?
 
1 + 1 = 3?

It's possible that his doctor was racist, it is even possible that his specific GP would treat "his own club" differently but surely you can appreciate that making the leap from "this GP was crap" to "Indian GPs treat their own kind differently" is neither logical nor proveable.
 
Durzel said:
1 + 1 = 3?

It's possible that his doctor was racist, it is even possible that his specific GP would treat "his own club" differently but surely you can appreciate that making the leap from "this GP was crap" to "Indian GPs treat their own kind differently" is neither logical nor proveable.
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but that's not what he said. He said;

At the risk of sounding racist, I do wonder if any of this would have happened if my dad was Indian. I'm sure he would have been treated as if he was "in the club" so to speak, and all of this could have been avoided because the GP actually cares about a "familiar".
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if his dad was Indian he would have been treated better by this specific GP not by all Indian gps


no where did he say that Indian GPs treat Indians better he said this specific GP.


it's you who has started saying he's saying all Indian gp's are like this.
 
Tefal said:
but that's not what he said. He said;



if his dad was Indian he would have been treated better by this specific GP not by all Indian gps


no where did he say that Indian GPs treat Indians better he said this specific GP.


it's you who has started saying he's saying all Indian gp's are like this.
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What are you saying, that you agree with the notion that if his Dad had been Indian he would've received a better quality of care? If so you realise I hope that you're pretty much saying this indian GP is negligent, if hes giving different standards of care to different races?
 
Durzel said:
If so you realise I hope that you're pretty much saying this indian GP is negligent,
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Well he miss diagnosed pneumonia as hay fever that sounds pretty negligent, especially as another doctor diagnosed it correctly.

if hes giving different standards of care to different races?
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yes I'm saying the GP might be racist.

Or can't doctors be racists?


but at least now you're not putting the words ""all Indian GPs treat their own kind differently"" into his mouth any more.
 
Of course they can (I never said they couldn't).

So you mean that Hoefz was saying that the GP was the one being racist and that this specific GP would've treated his Dad differently if he'd been indian?

Also don't mince my words please, I meant professionally negligent as a GP (in giving different standards of care to different races) rather than "negligent on this specific occasion with this specific patient in misdiagnosing an ailment".

Yes, it's quite possible that this GP was racist and also quite possible that he could/does/did give a different standard of care to "familiars" (ugh), but I can't make the leap from a GP interrupting a patient when they're describing symptoms to "this GP would treat their own race differently". There is no logical connection to be made there, except in a mind predisposed to "fill in the gaps" by claiming reverse racism or whatever.
 
Durzel said:
So one guy doesn't think it's racist so it's not? You don't have to be of colour to consider something as racist do you?

I think it was a racially motivated statement, is that ok? The story was interesting enough without allusions to race being a factor in the quality of his fathers treatment.
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Durzel, YOU think it is racist and so it is?

I still cannot see how Heofz's theory which could explain why his Dad was not listened to like he expected makes him racist. I am not denying the fact that the theory could be perceived as racist, but it gets ridiculous when you call Heofz racist for calling his GP racist.

Heofz wondering if the GP was racist and therefore resulted in the brief appointment with his Dad. There could have been other factors why the appointment was brief:
- GP Was Busy
- GP Felt Lazy
- Heofz's Dad Was Faking It

BUT there I really cannot see why considering the GP as racist is not an acceptable factor in your eyes and how it makes Heofz racist. Not at any point did Heofz state that the GP was definitely racist and that all Indian GPs are racist etc. For some reason, you are turning a small comment into an "end of the world scale catastrophe".


I know Heofz of these forums and can vouch for the fact that he is not racist... in fact why would he even be friends with me if he was racist? Durzel, since you seem to have all the answers and your opinion/statements are so clearly fact, please tell me the answer to my question.
 
Is it not racist to label the GP as being racist when the only evidence of this is that he interrupted his Dad describing the symptoms? We're getting into meta-racism now.

What I mean is, take this example - if someone decides to cross the road to the other side when they come across a black guy walking towards them on the same pavement late at night, is that person being racist in simply being in the frame of mind where they would assume the worst traits and apply them to every individual they come across? Hope that makes sense...

If he was saying that he believed this specific GP was being racist and that he thought this specific GP would give a higher standard of care to "his own kind", then I'll admit that's less ridiculous than stating "I wonder if indian GPs give preferential treatment to their own kind". Either way I can't see the logical connection between someone being curt with his Dad to being "someone who would give better treatment to their own kind". It seems like a huge leap to make.
 
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Durzel said:
"I wonder if indian GPs give preferential treatment to their own kind". .
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HE never said that. he wondered if this specific GP did this not all indian doctors. re read his post.

he says "GP" as in singular and "He" not "them".


you are the one who has made up this all Indian doctors treat Indians better crap.
 
I never said he said that explicitly, jesus christ. Selective quoting for the win?

I'll concede that if the guy was just labelling this specific GP as racist based on nothing more than the fact that she was curt with his Dad is different than labelling all indian GPs as giving preferential treatment. However, as I said above I still think it's a pretty big leap to go from "kept interrupting" to "treated as if he was "in the club"".
 
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tisonlyme said:
I shall put in my pennies worth, as this is something that really winds me up. A couple of years ago, I was taking some medication (the pill) and after a while I started getting crippling back and neck pain, so bad I couldn't sleep, was crying constantly and had trouble staying in work for a full day. I also got really bad leg pain that had me in tears most days. I went to my GP 4 times, repeat, 4 TIMES! Saying that I think it's my pill thats doing it and asked if there was anything else I could take. Every time my GP said it couldn't be the pill, I must just have bad posture and restless leg syndrome, so he told me to sit up straight and gave me anti-imflamatories.
Of course, this didn't work, which I knew it wouldn't, so I carried on living in complete agony until eventually my hair started falling out. That was the last straw, so I decided to take myself of the darn pill.

Amazingly, within days of me stopping, all my pain went away. But of course, it couldn't have been the pill causing it....

I can't tell you how angry I was, my doctor just dismissed everything I said, because he knows best obviously. It's me feeling the pain, but he knows better, and decided to ignore the obvious panic and desperation in my voice. I haven't fully trusted my GP since then. Grrrr....:mad:
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Sorry, but you sound incredibly stupid to have not just tried coming of the pill for a few days when this started, instead of booking a doctors appointment, misdiagnosis happens, but if you hadn’t been so bloody bone idle you could have diagnosed it quicker.
 
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