co-op ID rant

Teki187 · 16 Jul 2009 at 23:25

rypt said:
Caution for what exactly, selling to an over 18 person?

In relation to giving it to under age people, its sale via proxy.

drew64 · 16 Jul 2009 at 23:25

rypt said:
Because they look like they clearly are over 18 ... or you already know that they are

define clearly over 18

Vulcan · 16 Jul 2009 at 23:29

drew64 said:
and how do we know they are over 18?

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Teki187 said:
They cant just ID you once and that's it

Because you've already ID'd them. No need to ID them again if you know they are 18+.

drew64 · 16 Jul 2009 at 23:31

Longbow said:
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Because you've already ID'd them. No need to ID them again if you know they are 18+.

no really, how can you tell if someone is 17 or 21?

Teki187 · 16 Jul 2009 at 23:31

Longbow said:
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Because you've already ID'd them. No need to ID them again if you know they are 18+.

But the random customer the next day doesn't know there over age and could again report you to the police. That's why you are ID'd every time.

rypt · 16 Jul 2009 at 23:36

Teki187 said:
That doesn't matter, you have to ID them every time.

Read this: http://www.wsta.co.uk/Challenge-25.html

It might clear things up for you.

Challenge 25 is not a law, it is a suggested strategy. A shop does not have to follow suggested strategies ... it only needs to comply with the law.

Teki187 said:
But the random customer the next day doesn't know there over age and could again report you to the police. That's why you are ID'd every time.

And as I said police will see person is over 18 and say yup that's fine.

Teki187 · 16 Jul 2009 at 23:38

rypt said:
Challenge 25 is not a law, it is a suggested strategy. A shop does not have to follow suggested strategies ... it only needs to comply with the law.

And as I said police will see person is over 18 and say yup that's fine.

Tell you what, if you think its that easy, go and do it your self and report back.

Vulcan · 16 Jul 2009 at 23:39

drew64 said:
no really, how can you tell if someone is 17 or 21?

You couldn't describe it in words, and I'm not arguing against the think 21 policy, I'm arguing against pointless ID'ing. For example when you know someone is 18+.

Teki187 said:
Tell you what, if you think its that easy, go and do it your self and report back.

What's easy?

Burnsy2023 · 16 Jul 2009 at 23:44

Teki187 said:
In relation to giving it to under age people, its sale via proxy.

If the store sold it to someone who is over 18 and had no knowledge that they are buying it for an under age person, the store is commiting no offence. The person buying the age restricted product for someone not of legal age is however and can be fined.

The police will not caution you for selling to someone over 18 without seeing ID because it is not an offence. The store policy is a different kettle of fish though.

el_dazza · 17 Jul 2009 at 00:18

starfighter said:
Happened to me at coop also.

I gave them loads of abuse, Asking ID when I am 23 is bad enough but to start writing down my details without telling mye why.

I assumed this person ebhind the till was trying to forge my ID. I had to snatch it back off him.

I hope the manager asked you to leave and never come back. Asking for ID when you're 23, ok, so when our policy is Challenge 25 what's your problem with this? If you don't like the store's policy then why bother going in there in the first place? Nobody's making you go in there and nobody has to let you in the store.

Oh, big man "snatching" your ID back off him, throwing a tantrum because someone was doing their job? :rolleyes:

gillywibble said:
Absolutely. A clear breach of Section 55.

Exactly, which is why I'm doubting the OP in the first place. All we have is a grid - Date + Time, Description, and what they attempted to buy. We do NOT take down anyone's personal details.

Vulcan · 17 Jul 2009 at 00:25

el_dazza said:
I hope the manager asked you to leave and never come back. Asking for ID when you're 23, ok, so when our policy is Challenge 25 what's your problem with this? If you don't like the store's policy then why bother going in there in the first place? Nobody's making you go in there and nobody has to let you in the store.

He probably wasn't aware that it's the store policy to record unnecessary details about him.

el_dazza said:
Exactly, which is why I'm doubting the OP in the first place. All we have is a grid - Date + Time, Description, and what they attempted to buy. We do NOT take down anyone's personal details.

Then why did the cashier still need the ID?

thecremeegg · 17 Jul 2009 at 01:07

I work at a Co-op and no personal details are taken, only what you tried to buy and what you looked like so I agree with el dazza in thinking its BS.

rypt · 17 Jul 2009 at 01:11

Any court cases where someone tried to argue that a description of their likeness is personal/private information?

thecremeegg · 17 Jul 2009 at 01:13

rypt said:
Any court cases where someone tried to argue that a description of their likeness is personal/private information?

Why do you care so much?

rypt · 17 Jul 2009 at 01:14

thecremeegg said:
Why do you care so much?

Coz I'm an anarchist and am anti-authority

el_dazza · 17 Jul 2009 at 01:31

Longbow said:
Then why did the cashier still need the ID?

Beats me. Perhaps he was writing down his actual age or his name so as not to serve such an ignorant customer again?

NickM · 17 Jul 2009 at 02:42

Teki187 said:
But the random customer the next day doesn't know there over age and could again report you to the police. That's why you are ID'd every time.

Say my friend works in a shop selling alcohol, knows I'm 21 because he's my friend, sells me the alcohol without IDing me. Even if he gets reported.. where exactly is the offence?

Westyfield2 · 17 Jul 2009 at 03:22

I'm 18 and get ID'd about 50% of the time for alcohol (usually depending who I'm with) and have no problem with it - driving license is always in my wallet.

But them writing down the details from my ID? That I would have a problem with.

Dunks · 17 Jul 2009 at 08:25

I' m 20 and got ID'd while buying wine at M&S. Did I whine and moan? No. I just gave him my ID and then was on my way. Whats the big deal?

gillywibble · 17 Jul 2009 at 08:45

Why are so many people missing the point of the thread?