Ramadan Mubarak

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I can guarantee if this thread were celebrating a christian event and muslims provocatively and arrogantly insisted that the christian faith be justified, the moderation would have went a lot differently.

Only difference is all of the replies would be along the lines of "I'm not Christian, I just like a big fat lunch and presents" :p

And this is a UK forum, what do you expect? It would be the opposite if it were OcSA.
 
happy ramadan :D

Thank you and the same to you.

I am not muslim but typical of the vast majority of the 'indigenous' white population of the UK who are tolerant of other cultures and ashamed of the intolerance of the minority as demonstrated on this forum all too frequently.
 
Thank you and the same to you.

I am not muslim but typical of the vast majority of the 'indigenous' white population of the UK who are tolerant of other cultures and ashamed of the intolerance of the minority as demonstrated on this forum all too frequently.

Your comment comes across extremely racist (ie people who are being 'intolerant' of Islam are racist).

I'm an atheist, so if this were a Christian thread I'd equally be against it. It certainly has nothing to do with me being white or of what race the Muslim/Christian is.
 
Spawn, serious question, what do you think of those Muslims who fast during Ramadan, and also give up their 'sins' during Ramadan, but for the rest of the year, they go clubbing, get with numerous white women, and frankly treat those women very badly etc, smoke, and some even drink?

I also know of many Muslims who break fast, and then do not carry out what they are supposed to to repent for this, eg feeding a poor person for the number of fasts that have been broken, but will still preach to others that what they are doing it worthy of great virtue!!

There were (and probably still are) many muslims who break their fast on the morning journey to uni/work, there are those that do not follow it at all and drink/cause acts of violence on Eid.

I understand it in a very simple way; rules. The rules are set and do not change, ie. you fast for 30 days giving up material and desires. The duty is upon the individual to follow what is deemed the right way, or their own way. Ramadan gives Muslims a chance to repent and be forgiven for their sins, if an individual makes intention to continue what they are doing and fast then it is between them and the creator what will happen next.

Islam is the religion and Muslims are the followers, and not all Muslims are the same. I for one disagree with drinking and smoking substances.
 
Your comment comes across extremely racist (ie people who are being 'intolerant' of Islam are racist).

I'm an atheist, so if this were a Christian thread I'd equally be against it. It certainly has nothing to do with me being white or of what race the Muslim/Christian is.
  1. I didn't mention race.
  2. If and when I make an observation of racism I fail to see why the observation would itself be racist.
  3. If the thread were discussing a christian event you would be against it and wouldn't respect the culture of others?
 
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no muslim has answered my question

why do you have to keep fasting every year. surely the first couple of times you do it. you must get the meaning and guilt of what it is like for people to go without food.

also mention the devil and his jinns being locked up during this month. so no bads sinn and everyone goes heaven

can someone explain this.

i think they are using weak chains and locks, cause there are muslims that dont fast and stuff their faces and see them at clubs drinking their heads off LOL.

IN THE SUMMER 35c, can you imagine.
The 30 days provides many a benefit to a muslim; forgiveness, exploring your religion more deeply, practice more, appreciate that even a glass of water and a small bowl of cereal is more than what had been given historically and still to this day to people that suffer, how people starve for days or weeks not knowing when their next meal is and just for a few hours we find it difficult.

There is a deeper understanding to the issue of the devil being locked up, should you focus it is easier to do a good deed ie. prayer, talk politely, do good deeds. However, evil is inside of us all the time, we are born with it and it is up to us how we raise or alleviate it.

There are Muslims that use the 30 days for good and keep on an appropiate path finding peace and happiness, others that give so much to charity and realise their wealth is best spread, others that convert people, and so on - do you see what I am getting at?

Oh and good link dark shadow!
 
Spawn, serious question, what do you think of those Muslims who fast during Ramadan, and also give up their 'sins' during Ramadan, but for the rest of the year, they go clubbing, get with numerous white women, and frankly treat those women very badly etc, smoke, and some even drink?

When I was at uni nearly 9 years ago, the number of Muslim boys treating their non Muslim girls badly was astonishing. They even bragged about it, "well, it's not like I'm going to marry any of them so who cares...."

I do understand Ramadan, but feel that in this day and age, many Muslims only partake in it because they feel obliged to, not because they believe in its true reasons.

I also know of many Muslims who break fast, and then do not carry out what they are supposed to to repent for this, eg feeding a poor person for the number of fasts that have been broken, but will still preach to others that what they are doing it worthy of great virtue!!


When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Matthew 6:16-18


The way religion should be imho. Its a personal affair.

Your comment comes across extremely racist (ie people who are being 'intolerant' of Islam are racist).

I'm an atheist, so if this were a Christian thread I'd equally be against it. It certainly has nothing to do with me being white or of what race the Muslim/Christian is.

Why would you be AGAINST it?
 
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if it was so easy i would be keeping 1 rite now, but i messed up las nite and so im not keeping one today. main problem is if ur used to erm certain stuff its a bit hard to wean urself off it at first.
 
1. I didn't mention race.
2. If and when I make an observation of racism I fail to see why the observation of racism would itself be racist.

Aside from "'indigenous' white population" you didn't mention race, you mean? What I meant was that your comment came across that you think anyone who disagrees with Islam is racist (they MUST be white), rather than simply not agreeing with it (and not that you're racist).

3. If the thread were discussing a christian event you would be against it and wouldn't respect the culture of others?

Correct. As much as I've tried I simply cannot respect someone who devotes their life to a novel and *actually* thinks a snake talked and every animal in the world got on one big boat. And I've seen it brainwash totally sane people who now go to Bible Camp and do tongues etc.

What boggles me with religion is the dead ones - what happened to Neptune and Ra? Anyone noticed the world hasn't flooded and the sun hasn't exploded after people stopped worshipping them? Most Christians and Muslims (at least the ones I've spoken to) think worshipping the sun and sea is bizarre yet the difference between this and their own religions in ridiculousness is minimal.
 
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Aside from "'indigenous' white population" you didn't mention race, you mean? What I meant was that your comment came across that you think anyone who disagrees with Islam is racist (they MUST be white), rather than simply not agreeing with it (and not that you're racist).



Correct. As much as I've tried I simply cannot respect someone who devotes their life to a novel and *actually* thinks a snake talked and every animal in the world got on one big boat. And I've seen it brainwash totally sane people who now go to Bible Camp and do tongues etc.

What boggles me with religion is the dead ones - what happened to Neptune and Ra? Anyone noticed the world hasn't flooded and the sun hasn't exploded after people stopped worshipping them? Most Christians and Muslims (at least the ones I've spoken to) think worshipping the sun and sea is bizarre yet the difference between this and their own religions in ridiculousness is minimal.
I identified myself as being an indigenous Briton and voiced my opinion that the majority of my country folk like myself are tolerant of other cultures, unlike the representation offered by this thread. Quite how you leap from that to your interpretation I guess you can only know. As for all your extremely arrogant spiel about religion, I too am atheist but I also respect the views of others while acknowledging my limited comprehension and that I may in fact be wrong. To do otherwise is the very definition of arrogance.
 
You've got to laugh at how it's descended into a 'it's easy/difficult' debate. It's not about whether it's the easiest or the most difficult thing in the world.

Ramadhan is a month that teaches a muslim patience, discipline, modesty & spirituality.

If you can fathom that, woop! If you can't, boohoo?

1) I also know 3 muslim ex drug dealers and they were doing stuff like cocaine etc.

2) Just seems to me that a new branch of islam is being formed. A western version, shall be good. Far more tollerant and willing to integrate with the natives, the people they came to live with after all.

3) I find older generation of muslims to be very racist yet they come over here anyway.
1) Riiight . . :)

2) Define integration? Someone who drinks? Goes clubbing?

3) Older generation of muslims or older generation of immigrants?

That's sugar, coffee, tea, cigarettes, all out.
They're not intoxicants.

easy is it? nah i dont think so mate, u have to cut off drink/drugs/sex/alcohol and food from 4 in the morning to 8 in the nite.

not easy.
Are you for real? They're forbidden in Islam to begin with (bar sex with your spouse). Are you insinuating those things are allowed after you break your fast?

1) Going without water is stupid. Putting religion before health because you've been told to do something....

2) Most Muslim's I speak to don't even know the reason, they just say "they have to do it and we won't understand".

3)Not drinking alcohol because it "controls the mind", but quite happily smoke weed etc!

Makes perfect sense..... no!
1) Fasting is for those whom are fit enough to fast. If you meet that criteria you can go without water.

2) The type of muslims you speak of speak for themselves.

3) See above.

1) Yes anyone can survive it, but I know people who don't drink during ramadan but still go to the gym etc, dehydrating themselves for the day, which while not life threatening, is not good for your body at all!

2) Likewise, by old technician used to fast during the day, and then absolutely stuff his face in the evening to make up for it, which is COMPLETELY pointless!

3) But as I said, a lot of people only do it because they HAVE to because of their dictatorial religion.
1) I've been training for the past x amount of years. I've never suffered dehydration. Is this some more generalised rubbish without any evidence based on individual circumstances?

2) Do elaborate.

3) More tripe! No one is forced to anything. Every human has a choice.

1) Also, what do you think of those Muslims who believe that Ramadan is the time to increase jihad activities, because they believe Allah will help them with greater power during this auspicious time,

2) and those Muslims that have recently killed their fellow Muslims in Somalia, Algeria, Iraq etc during this time?
1) What do you think?

2) That's not even a question. Think about this one.

Spawn, serious question, what do you think of those Muslims who fast during Ramadan, and also give up their 'sins' during Ramadan,

1) but for the rest of the year, they go clubbing, get with numerous white women, and frankly treat those women very badly etc, smoke, and some even drink?

When I was at uni nearly 9 years ago, the number of Muslim boys treating their non Muslim girls badly was astonishing. They even bragged about it, "well, it's not like I'm going to marry any of them so who cares...."

2) I do understand Ramadan, but feel that in this day and age, many Muslims only partake in it because they feel obliged to, not because they believe in its true reasons.

I also know of many Muslims who break fast, and then do not carry out what they are supposed to to repent for this, eg feeding a poor person for the number of fasts that have been broken, but will still preach to others that what they are doing it worthy of great virtue!!
Oh, so the above weren't serious questions? You were merely looking chuck some muslim bashing into tha mix? Didums . .

1) What do you think of them? What do you think of people who treat women badly?

2) So you understand Ramadhan's true reasons?

They participate in fasting because if they didn't some loony extremist family member would probably kill them.

At least that's what some old news reports would lead me to believe. ;) I still remember that woman who got stabbed by her father (I believe) for doing something their religion didn't approve of.
Way to go cultural generalisation! /rollies

no muslim has answered my question
That may be because you're a troll. I suggest you stop trolling.
 
It's like playing a very specific game of Godwinism here at times - only the end goal is railing against religion rather than saying (or not saying) Nazi. I can appreciate that people don't like religion, any religion, but does it really hurt to simply not post in a thread like this where people are wishing others well in their observance of their faith? There are, have been and I'll give you good odds that there will continue to be plenty of threads about whether religion is a good idea or not - would it not be better to save the arguments for them?
 
It's like playing a very specific game of Godwinism here at times - only the end goal is railing against religion rather than saying (or not saying) Nazi. I can appreciate that people don't like religion, any religion, but does it really hurt to simply not post in a thread like this where people are wishing others well in their observance of their faith? There are, have been and I'll give you good odds that there will continue to be plenty of threads about whether religion is a good idea or not - would it not be better to save the arguments for them?

Indeed. I despair at the lack of manners on display here. I find it genuinely quite sad that some individuals are so hell bent on asserting their own opinion they have to preach it when it is clearly inappropriate to do so.
 
It's like playing a very specific game of Godwinism here at times - only the end goal is railing against religion rather than saying (or not saying) Nazi. I can appreciate that people don't like religion, any religion, but does it really hurt to simply not post in a thread like this where people are wishing others well in their observance of their faith? There are, have been and I'll give you good odds that there will continue to be plenty of threads about whether religion is a good idea or not - would it not be better to save the arguments for them?
OcUK is well known for its Racists/Xenophobes/Islamophobes.

It's quite simple really. Dons are heavy handed with trolls and those that take it off topic are dealt with.

Que anything remotely related to Islam. "Let the trolling commence".

Nice.
 
OcUK is well known for its Racists/Xenophobes/Islamophobes.

It's quite simple really. Dons are heavy handed with trolls and those that take it off topic are dealt with.

Que anything remotely related to Islam. "Let the trolling commence".

Nice.

Maybe people just don't want that religion thrown in our faces. :rolleyes:
If everyone kept their faiths to themselves we will all be better of. If you want to follow islam, follow it. Don't flaunt it to others.

Every year is the same thing from the same people. Always the same people complaining how hard it is to keep a fast. It's not! Most people wake up early and stuff their faces and after fast you get to eat more.

jesus christ... :rolleyes:
 
Maybe people just don't want that religion thrown in our faces. :rolleyes:
If everyone kept their faiths to themselves we will all be better of.

Every year is the same thing from the same people. Always the same people complaining how hard it is to keep a fast. It's not! Most people wake up early and stuff their faces and after fast you get to eat more.

jesus christ... :rolleyes:
How is it being thrown in your face?

The same way you felt obliged to come here and post about it?
 
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