Who hates the Union Flag?

malfunkshun · 6 Sep 2009 at 13:52

Namak said:
Wales - the centre of the British Empire

Scotland to the north, NI to the west, England to the east, Cornwall to the south. Yup centre (ish)

AGD · 6 Sep 2009 at 14:03

I'm not welsh but I would support you welshies if you want to put the dragon on the union flag. Maybe we could get rid of the scottish cross at the same time?

crunchman · 6 Sep 2009 at 14:10

Gustov said:
The flag itself isn't chavvy.

It's the chavs that go round wearing fake burberry and therefore the flag is associated with 'chavs'

Real designer burberry costs a bomb.

I haven't seen anyone wearing great Britain flags recently either.

It's on their Reebok classics !!

I'm being pedantic

Tefal · 6 Sep 2009 at 14:16

malfunkshun said:
See, it just doesnt work. Leave the Union flag alone, there is nothing wrong with the flag, only peoples perceptions of it.

Admit it that would look freaking sweeet

regulus · 6 Sep 2009 at 14:27

Namak said:
I'm reasonably patriotic but I really dislike the design of our flag. Surely I am not alone in this? I almost feel embarrassed by it at international sporting events.

It's nothing to do with the unfortunate nationalistic associations it has picked up, I just find it really brash and tasteless. Why can't we have something interesting like the Welsh or Canadian flag? Or something iconic, simple and understated like the Japanese?

At least we don't have an unoriginal tricolour flag I guess.

I don't hate it, it's just every time I see it I can't help but think of tattooed chavs with shaved heads yelling 'c'mon Engerland!'. I really don't know where to bury my head if that happens for real which sadly it does too often. Anyway, I don't really have any other opinion on that as I just never spend any time thinking about these things. It's just a label and those mean even less to me.

regulus · 6 Sep 2009 at 14:28

rghjones said:
Most retarded statement ever?

Why? Does it make you feel any different? special? part of something?

regulus · 6 Sep 2009 at 14:30

LabR@t said:
why not read up and see what it stands for ! its our heritage embrace or sod off

It's cloth with red and blue materials scrambled on it. I didn't realise people connected their whole beings to it.

Chimerical · 6 Sep 2009 at 16:10

peetee said:
You dont care about the people who died for this country, who inevitably are you relatives, fighting for you and your children for what they believed would be a better world? Err.. you're a bit of a character..
Perhaps you should have been born in Nazi Germany instead, into a jewish family, then that could be your norm.
People unwilling to make a sacrifice, or even acknowledge one for their 'country' is probably the major reason why its going downhill, people are unwilling to fight for a better future.

Pathetic.

Soooo you're saying his right to dissent or even be outright apathetic shouldn't exist? The same right that people fought and died for?

I would say this looks all too much like that type of forced American flag-worship jingoism or the sort of 'patriotism' the Daily Mail/BNP types like to preach about.

peetee · 6 Sep 2009 at 16:23

Chimerical said:
Soooo you're saying his right to dissent or even be outright apathetic shouldn't exist? The same right that people fought and died for?

I would say this looks all too much like that type of forced American flag-worship jingoism or the sort of 'patriotism' the Daily Mail/BNP types like to preach about.

id class this more of being ignorant and self centered, something which nobody fought for. its plain rude to not even acknowledge the bravery and sacrifice, if something like that happened again someday soon its people like this which will inevitably lead to the loss of freedom for all.

Its not forced flag worship or anything, but I think everyone within this country who appreciates the freedoms they are afforded and the way of life they have should acknowledge and appreciate why they have these freedoms, and to who'm they owe the appreciation.

Tefal · 6 Sep 2009 at 16:24

I'm curious how fighting for your country/beliefs = fighting for the flag :/

Chimerical · 6 Sep 2009 at 16:29

peetee said:
id class this more of being ignorant and self centered, something which nobody fought for. its plain rude to not even acknowledge the bravery and sacrifice, if something like that happened again someday soon its people like this which will inevitably lead to the loss of freedom for all.

Its not forced flag worship or anything, but I think everyone within this country who appreciates the freedoms they are afforded and the way of life they have should acknowledge and appreciate why they have these freedoms, and to who'm they owe the appreciation.

But technically the soldiers in WW2 also died for our right to vote yet lots of people in this country don't vote. Are you saying they are in some way disrespectful? I tend to think of that as the politicians fault rather than the public's.

V4NT0M · 6 Sep 2009 at 16:50

regulus said:
It's cloth with red and blue materials scrambled on it. I didn't realise people connected their whole beings to it.

I'll say it again, it is neither of those things.

arc@css · 6 Sep 2009 at 17:09

The New Statesman.

-TNT- · 6 Sep 2009 at 17:21

I love it

_dogma_ · 6 Sep 2009 at 20:29

I think it looks awful! It's just so Bleh. It doesn't make me feel patriotic or anything when I look at it.

I also hate "God Save The Queen" as well.

J1234 · 6 Sep 2009 at 20:32

It's a flag, it's fine.

Namak · 6 Sep 2009 at 20:41

So to summarise this thread....

- I am not completely alone in thinking it is a bit brash
- A lot of people like it
- A lot of people don't care
- Some people care FAR too much and take any criticism on its aesthetics as a personal affront/instant cause for deportation
- Everyone feels sorry for the Welsh

- Dragons are cool

Thanks guys!

meghatronic · 7 Sep 2009 at 00:20

Chimerical said:
But technically the soldiers in WW2 also died for our right to vote yet lots of people in this country don't vote. Are you saying they are in some way disrespectful? I tend to think of that as the politicians fault rather than the public's.

Not quite, but close!

They died for our RIGHT to vote. Note that 'free will' thing

I will not judge anyone for not voting, it is after all their right. I am confused by them though!

meghatronic · 7 Sep 2009 at 00:29

Tefal said:
I'm curious how fighting for your country/beliefs = fighting for the flag :/

It just is. The most important thing in a battle was to protect the Colours/Standard, always has been. Watch Zulu Dawn! It's a metaphor for the country/Empire/people, whatever.

Above: Lieutenants Coghil and Melville die trying to save the Colors of the British 24th Regiment after the Zulu victory at Isandhlwana. The Colors were never found.

rypt · 7 Sep 2009 at 00:30

meghatronic said:
I will not judge anyone for not voting, it is after all their right. I am confused by them though!

I don't vote at times because none of the parties appeal to me

meghatronic said:
It just is. The most important thing in a battle was to protect the Colours/Standard, always has been. Watch Zulu! It's a metaphor for the country/Empire/people, whatever.

Above: Lieutenants Coghil and Melville die trying to save the Colors of the British 24th Regiment after the Zulu victory at Isandhlwana. The Colors were never found.

Perhaps a slightly bad example giving that we were fighting to prevent them gaining independence though :/