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Hahaha. Self-cert doesn't work around here...I'm surprised you didn't say pop out a sprog, that's more foolproof
i'd have said more foolish to pop out a sprog just for money
Are you 18-24 and unemployed?
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i'd have said more foolish to pop out a sprog just for money
i'd have said more foolish to pop out a sprog just for money
You know me better than that vincent
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do you think the reason you perhaps don't have a job is because you're too much up your own rear end? it's a job, suck it up, unless you're lucky any manager you get is going to be a bit of a prat. glad my taxes are being spent on allowing people to pick and choose.edit: assuming you're on some kind of benefit for being out of work, if not i retract my statement.
edit: assuming you're on some kind of benefit for being out of work, if not i retract my statement.
On commission based jobs you could spend the entire month trying to get a sale, it doesn't go through and then you get nothing for that effort. So I can understand to some extent why he'd feel leaving was a good option.
edit: assuming you're on some kind of benefit for being out of work, if not i retract my statement.
Let's be careful here, this kind of mentality that people should have to work any job if they're physically able to could in some ways be compared to a type of slavery and it doesn't work out well for long, like say if a person on benefits is forced to do any job even at the cost of their mental well being and freedom of choice then they will simply end up being jobless again when they quit, it may take time but a person should be able to spend that time to find a job they're happy with and have the option to learn at their leisure to as high a degree as possible, this would work out best in the long run for everyone involved.
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I'm not in the category btw
I'm not in the category btw
Then again it's the kind of attitude along the lines of "I'm too good for/not interested in that job, I'll wait for a better one" and then end up on benfits because it's just easier.
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and yet it seems to be a substantial number of people on benefits who cling to the hope that there is a perfect job out there for them, and they're better than some jobs, real life isn't like that, if they want to have that kind of mentality they can do it with there own money.
i don't have any time for people who don't take a job because they don't like it when they're living of the time and effort of people in those very jobs. it's arrogant to say the least.
Yeah and if they're given the resources to learn and perhaps tracked in progress when the job does come along they will be more qualified to take it, i also think employers shouldn't just pick the absolute best they see for the job, im sure there's some kind of 'ism' involved here where employers only pick who they want, be it education, social skill, looks etc, there should be more equality, im not saying the worst should be picked for certain kinds of work but a larger margin of job applications should be accepted and picked with some percentage of random choice thrown in, that way more people get the opportunity to get the job they want and there's no 'ism' for only the best or brightest.
And where do you get this experience?
I'd class myself as intelligent, committed, with a good classification and degree (high 2:1 in a physical science) and with more experience than most graduates in my field (I did a short internship), yet for the jobs i've applied for in my field (very few in fact for junior roles) all have come back with not enough experience or whatever...
When looking at graduate jobs at the moment the vast majority of job titles with "GRADUATE" in are for recruitment and sales, there are very few others.
I've sent dozens of unsolicited applications to firms in my field, all have replied back that they are not employing and as for agencies (both specialist and town centre types), well out of a dozen only one has actually replied, and that was only to say they are interested in my "skills".
Yes i'm 23 and unemployed (I guess 3 months after graduating you're not a student anymore... I'm really now considering jumping on a Masters/PHd before it's too late as it doesn't look like there's a chance for proper employment in the near future.
EDIT: I'm not on any benefits either at the moment, after much pressing however I have finally got the form to ring up to get an appointment...
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And where do you get this experience?
I'd class myself as intelligent, comitted and with more experience than most graduates in my field (internship), yet for the jobs i've applied for in my field (very few in fact for junior roles) all have come back with not enough experience or whatever...
When looking at graduate jobs at the moment the vast majority of job titles with "GRADUATE" in are for recruitment and sales, there are very few others.
I've sent dozens of unsolicited applications to firms in my field, all have replied back that they are not employing and as for agencies (both specialist and town centre types), well out of a dozen only one has actually replied, and that was only to say they are interested in my "skills".
Yes i'm 23 and unemployed (I guess 3 months after graduating you're not a student anymore... I'm really now considering jumping on a Masters/PHd before it's too late as it doesn't look like there's a chance for proper employment in the near future.
You can have experience but unless its the specific type, and knowledge, that the business is after they're not interested. Training is not a budget item during this recession.
I agree there are people who take the **** with their mentality but i don't think its the vast majority, i think its fair to say most people in this position only ask for a reasonable job until they can get something better, trouble is way too many jobs are of a very poor standard which are expected to be taken just because you can, i don't think this is right either for many reasons.
Also consider this, the vast majority who take benefits at any time will have previously worked and paid taxes or will eventually work and pay taxes so its all relative, the benefits they get they pay for, you can argue this point all you like but its true, money is like energy in a sense and is created and flows around the system, you would be paying what you do regardless and if/when you're out of work you too can benefit, same way with the nhs etc.
And where do you get this experience?
I'd class myself as intelligent, committed, with a good classification and degree (high 2:1 in a physical science) and with more experience than most graduates in my field (I did a short internship), yet for the jobs i've applied for in my field (very few in fact for junior roles) all have come back with not enough experience or whatever...
When looking at graduate jobs at the moment the vast majority of job titles with "GRADUATE" in are for recruitment and sales, there are very few others.
I've sent dozens of unsolicited applications to firms in my field, all have replied back that they are not employing and as for agencies (both specialist and town centre types), well out of a dozen only one has actually replied, and that was only to say they are interested in my "skills".
Yes i'm 23 and unemployed (I guess 3 months after graduating you're not a student anymore... I'm really now considering jumping on a Masters/PHd before it's too late as it doesn't look like there's a chance for proper employment in the near future.
EDIT: I'm not on any benefits either at the moment, after much pressing however I have finally got the form to ring up to get an appointment...
Its the same of all of us who graduated.. I graduated with an IT degree in the middle of the .com crash. I must have sent out 150+ applications and got no where so I done my CIMA via distant learning and took a job doing sales, I then volunteered for two afternoons a week in the accountancy department of the company and 2 months later got my first 'finance job'. Its about being proactive which by the sounds of it you are doing..
I admit it is very difficult to get a job when you have no industry experience that's something every graduate goes through and its down to being pro-active and trying to stand out from the crowd. Its made harder at the moment as it is an employers market.
I realise that my post was generalising and I am not saying that this is indicative of all graduates however I come across very few who I consider have the right attitude.. I don't expect a graduate to walk into a job on day one and be perfect, I do expect him/her to be able to show enthusiasm, commitment, intelligence, be self motivated, ambitious, etc..
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I'm 23, and up until a few weeks ago I was unemployed post-university and very much beginning to lose my mind to the year-long monotony of limbo. I really do feel sorry for those still struggling to find work. My job isn't exactly the most glamarous, well-paid or interesting but it's still work and I was very lucky to find it. I can't quite begin to describe the weight that lifted from my shoulders; it was like I was allowed to live again; to hope, plan and aspire. Whereas before my days literally revolved around what time I had a shower or got dressed. If I was lucky I might even leave the house for a walk.
Generally I would agree but there are always the exceptions more than happy to train staff (graduates) if I feel they would or do add value.
I don't like having to take a huge loan (getting shafted with student finance) to get one, especially considering previous work and tax paid. If the universities were not subsidised then it would be a different story...
Surely my real world experience is more relevant, generally speaking, than some management bureaucracy that I spend an entire module on?