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It's certainly worth pointing this out as it's easy to be distracted by the cars! Getting people into debt was one of the drivers for this scheme, I'm sure.
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It's certainly worth pointing this out as it's easy to be distracted by the cars! Getting people into debt was one of the drivers for this scheme, I'm sure.
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What?
Why?
What?
Why?
Some of you people really, really need to get your medication checked
What?
Why?
What?
Why?
Some of you people really, really need to get your medication checked
I agree with them, and I'm a doctor. I prescribe my own.
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Shirley notI agree with them, and I'm a doctor. I prescribe my own.
Cars are mass-produced. Washing Machines are mass-produced. Those are certainly facts.
There are cheap washing machines and there are expensive washing machines. There are cheap cars and there are expensive cars. Those too are facts.
At the end of the day, no matter how attached to them some people may be, washing machines wash clothes, cars transport people and goods. Some people may form a somewhat unhealthy attachments to their washing machine or even to their car.
I'm sorry to break this to you but none of that idolatry makes either a mass-produced washing machine or a mass-produced car into a great work of art.
However, do not despair or bother to repeat yourself Foxy, the Government's evil scrappage scheme will not tear your much loved car away from you, whatever it may be
Houses are mass produced too. There are cheap and expensive houses too...
Do you have something against people attached to their houses too? And people buying 50 year old big mansions above new built cheap houses? Surely it's better for construction industry if we demolished old houses and only moved in to new houses
?They both house people... Is there is no need for a rich person to buy a 20 room villa, a 3 room appartement would provide shelter too ?
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I think this scheme would work better if there were tighter controls on what was eligible for "scrappage"
The biggest problem with the scheme is that cars are being scrapped that are not scrap metal yet. Perhaps a maximum market value, only MOT failures etc - some sort of set criteria to stop perfectly servicable cars being ruined
The biggest problem with the scheme is that cars are being scrapped that are not scrap metal yet. Perhaps a maximum market value, only MOT failures etc - some sort of set criteria to stop perfectly servicable cars being ruined
People who can actually afford to properly maintain their car to an acceptable standard and look after it are generally financially better off than people who can on only barely manage to keep their car running at all. Looking after a car, especially an older one, is a fairly significant financial comittment if you are going to do it properly.
If you cannot comprehend that then may I suggest that it is you that need to get your medication checked.
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I think that it is just possible that you may be missing the point of the Government's scrappage scheme; it is to support the motor trade by encouraging people who might otherwise hang onto serviceable but essentially unreliable and unsafe cars to scrap them and buy a new car.
As to the market value, I very much doubt that many people scrap cars where the true open market value is more than £1,000, let alone £2,000
If your car is over ten years old, is perfectly reliable and you are happy with the lack of safety features, then hang onto it. If it is a wreck but for some reason worth an absolute fortune, flog it privately and get one of the massive discounts that are alleged to be available on a new or pre-registered cars
Too damned right there
Perhaps these entirely rational, unsentimental people scarp their old, unsafe, unreliable, expensive to maintain car in order to reduce the running costs and to get a safer, more reliable car
Sorry, I don't speak Welsh, I can't help you
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Not all cars back then had two stars you know.
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I'm sure they didn't; some may even have had more.
If your car is over ten years old, is perfectly reliable and you are happy with the safety features it may or may not have, then hang onto it
I think that it is just possible that you may be missing the point of the Government's scrappage scheme; it is to support the motor trade by encouraging people who might otherwise hang onto serviceable but essentially unreliable and unsafe cars to scrap them and buy a new car.
As to the market value, I very much doubt that many people scrap cars where the true open market value is more than £1,000, let alone £2,000
If your car is over ten years old, is perfectly reliable and you are happy with the lack of safety features, then hang onto it. If it is a wreck but for some reason worth an absolute fortune, flog it privately and get one of the massive discounts that are alleged to be available on a new or pre-registered cars
Too damned right there
Perhaps these entirely rational, unsentimental people scarp their old, unsafe, unreliable, expensive to maintain car in order to reduce the running costs and to get a safer, more reliable car
Sorry, I don't speak Welsh, I can't help you
You seemed to have missed this post.
How many X or Y reg rusty old death-traps have you seen?
2009 Registered MK2 Focus 1.6 Zetec:
MPG 42
Insurance Group 7
Euro Emissions Standard IV
CO2 Emissions 159 g/km
Road Tax Band G
Euro NCAP Rating - 5 stars
1999 Registered MK1 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec:
MPG 40
Insurance Group 6
Euro Emissions Standard II
CO2 Emissions 165 g/km
Road Tax Band G
Euro NCAP Rating - 4 stars
Yeah, those ten year old cars are REALLY dangerous and polluting compared to new cars
A ten year old dangerous, uneconomical death trap? My arse.
You seem to be missing the point that those people who drive around in old death traps can't even afford to buy a new car. Stop making the point that it's taking old death traps off of the road, when it clearly isn't.
Perhaps these entirely rational, unsentimental people scarp their old, unsafe, unreliable, expensive to maintain car in order to reduce the running costs and to get a safer, more reliable car
A high volume of purchases like this are NOT 100% logical and are clouded by the want for a new vehicle, using reasoning like you have stated, and more, to justify the purchase. When fundamentally the reason to a lot of people who want a new car is just that, 'want'.
Perhaps these entirely rational, unsentimental people scarp their old, unsafe, unreliable, expensive to maintain car in order to reduce the running costs and to get a safer, more reliable car
What confuses me is why "rational" people would rather drop £6k+ on a bottom spec car with unknown variables regarding reliability which will lose value as soon as they drive it off the forecourt than fix the problems with their current car which they know about for a lot less cash.
And just because I feel like doing a really sarcastic post:
Rational people don't buy new cars just because they're new. Sure, 2 years of "trouble free" motoring must be worth what, £4,000 plus depreciation, over what it would cost to keep their current car on the road for that... Sensible in a recession where jobs can be lost at any notice.
The actual reliability of the cars they will be buying has been proven by the masses of cars that have been on the road for years of course... hang on, people have only been buying them as they're the only viable options for cheap new cars while the scrappage scheme's been running for what, 5 months, what was I thinking.
Of course, they'll be safe in the car so all the worries are gone. God forbid they should crash in a 10 year old death trap with safety features apparently on par with that of an early 80s hatchback. Wait, that's it, they had safety testing back then too.
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Why the obsession with safety features stockhuasen? You realise a 1999 3 Series likely has considerably better safety features than your i20?
Is your i20 fitted with 6 airbags and ASC with CBC etc?
Or perhaps you know little about the safety features of many of the cars you claim are smokey unsafe wrecks? Perhaps you know little of anything but black and white purchasing decisions in a perfect world?
I still find it incredible you actually think virtually all people using scrappage do so simply because the current vehicle is uneconomical. Even amongst normal people many purchases of this size are emotional not logical.
Is your i20 fitted with 6 airbags and ASC with CBC etc?
Or perhaps you know little about the safety features of many of the cars you claim are smokey unsafe wrecks? Perhaps you know little of anything but black and white purchasing decisions in a perfect world?
I still find it incredible you actually think virtually all people using scrappage do so simply because the current vehicle is uneconomical. Even amongst normal people many purchases of this size are emotional not logical.
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"One swallow does not a summer make."
I have to say that I can't recall using the term "death trap" at any time. If you are suggesting that the average ten year old car is as safe as a modern car - even a Korean designed one manufactured in India, I would have to disagree.
Perhaps because there are likely to be at least as many "unknown variables regarding reliability" with a ten year old car as with a brand new one. The significant difference is that a new car will be covered by a warranty.
That post more or less suggests it.
A common car purchased on scrappage:
http://www.euroncap.com/tests/kia_picanto_2004/200.aspx
http://www.euroncap.com/tests/ford_focus_1999/34.aspx
Go on, keep spouting rubbish....
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