One of the most disturbing spectacles on the programme was the rest of the panel denying the existence of native indigenous Britons and saying we don't exist. Griffin was heckled and booed for daring to suggest that we do exist.
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Not particularly I'm afraid. We learnt nothing new about the BNP and it's policies, only that the BBC is biased and can rig an audience to suit its own political ends.
Last nights programme had no substance, no content, no intelligence and no point. What a farce.
You mean possibly one of the most retarded quotes you will ever see on TV, that you (or rather, your family) have to have been here for 17,000 years to be indigenous?
That's up there with some of Jade Goody's finest.
To be fair, that is Question Time most of the time.
Did anybody else think that the BBC had selectively picked the audience to be from minorities and when the white guy raised the question about immigration and the mass employment that was quickly washed over and moved onto the next question ?
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He shouted out his question without being asked.
I'd say it's more accurate to say that those from minorities had more to say and so asked all the questions.
Or more accurate perhaps to say that those from minorities had more of an agenda, and therefore asked all the questions?
I watched it last night, I was extremely bored within about 15 minutes (not that I'm always rivited to QT). It was essentially "lets verbally assault NG for an entire episode and give him barely any chance to retort or explain himself".
Not that I want to hear what he had to say, I just found it a poor excuse for a "political debate". It seemed more of a well choreographed witch-hunt if you ask me, with organisations like The Daily Fail fanning the flame in the background.
The little explaining NG did do was all back peddaling and rubbish in itself. I did laugh when he was explaining about the KKK issue and the Black American lady next to him started giving him the "uhh uhh, no you dii-iin't, don't tell ME about the KKK" face and hand gesture.
Not that I want to hear what he had to say, I just found it a poor excuse for a "political debate". It seemed more of a well choreographed witch-hunt if you ask me, with organisations like The Daily Fail fanning the flame in the background.
The little explaining NG did do was all back peddaling and rubbish in itself. I did laugh when he was explaining about the KKK issue and the Black American lady next to him started giving him the "uhh uhh, no you dii-iin't, don't tell ME about the KKK" face and hand gesture.
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I found it ironic that they were having a go at Nick Griffin for sharing a platform for a KKK leader (albeit a non violent faction of the KKK
) but then surely Jack Straw, Baroness Varsi et al have shared a platform with the Racist Facist Evil Nick Griffin.
And the BBC gave the Racist Facist Evil Nick Griffin a platform to spout his evil to the masses.
I don't believe any of that but if you just look at the pure facts of the program then that is what's happened.
We all knew what was going to happen today and the only question i wanted an answer to was when that guy was about to ask a question about Europe and our economy only to be shot down by Dimbelby :/
) but then surely Jack Straw, Baroness Varsi et al have shared a platform with the Racist Facist Evil Nick Griffin.And the BBC gave the Racist Facist Evil Nick Griffin a platform to spout his evil to the masses.
I don't believe any of that but if you just look at the pure facts of the program then that is what's happened.
We all knew what was going to happen today and the only question i wanted an answer to was when that guy was about to ask a question about Europe and our economy only to be shot down by Dimbelby :/
Whilst indigenous Britons do exist, they are relatively few in number particually in england. Most english would be more genetically be linked to ango-saxons than britons.
Or does the BNP have a selective history of what constitues an indigenous Briton? Longer than 100 years but less than 1500 years.
As much as I dislike the BNP, yesterdays QT was mainly run by emotions. When people get emotional they make weak arguments. I think rather than have a balanced debate on migration and the more important issue of integration were completely missed.
So now, the BNP crowd are going to feel smug in the idea that the conspiracy continues, and Asians, Brown people will own their lives and they have no control what so ever.
So now, the BNP crowd are going to feel smug in the idea that the conspiracy continues, and Asians, Brown people will own their lives and they have no control what so ever.
An interesting show.
I would like to see the same kind of panel but hosted in the Midlands or Yorkshire maybe.
Interestingly enough, it wasnt Nick Griffin who I most disliked on the show, it was Bonnie Greer.
Bonnie Greer really REALLY just annoyed the hell out of me. For me, she came across as arrogant, condescending and at times very childish. She spouted on and on about what an historical expert she was and how she knew this and that because she worked at the British Museum and yet some of her historical "facts" were archaeologically wrong. Perhaps she might consider coming out of the British Museum for a day and taking a look at the Natural History Museum or in particular the National Ice Age Center in Cresswell Crags so that she can correct her own oh so perfect historical knowledge.
I thought the most impressive person on the panel was Sayeeda Warsi, she came across as level headed but firm, willing to see whats wrong and whats needed to correct it.
I would like to see the same kind of panel but hosted in the Midlands or Yorkshire maybe.
Interestingly enough, it wasnt Nick Griffin who I most disliked on the show, it was Bonnie Greer.
Bonnie Greer really REALLY just annoyed the hell out of me. For me, she came across as arrogant, condescending and at times very childish. She spouted on and on about what an historical expert she was and how she knew this and that because she worked at the British Museum and yet some of her historical "facts" were archaeologically wrong. Perhaps she might consider coming out of the British Museum for a day and taking a look at the Natural History Museum or in particular the National Ice Age Center in Cresswell Crags so that she can correct her own oh so perfect historical knowledge.
I thought the most impressive person on the panel was Sayeeda Warsi, she came across as level headed but firm, willing to see whats wrong and whats needed to correct it.
How far back to you have to trace your ancestry to be deemed "indigenous"?
What about mixed race people? Are they not at least half "indigenous"?
Griffin is quoted as saying you can't be a Black Welshman, what about one of our greatest ever hurdlers? Guess what, he's Welsh, Black and British.
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I did like how he absolutely refused to agree that by indigenous he meant white. He just made himself look an idiot.
But ignoring the blatant racism, let's assume that there are lines on a map like this:
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What difference does the colour of someone's skin have to anything?
What difference does it make if someone is "Indigenous British" and "Black British" to their treatment in society? If you are honest you will see why there is need of a Black Policeman's Association.
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What he said in response to that question was fair enough IIRC.
He said that skin colour had nothing to do with it and he was right. It was just Straw hounding him into saying so.
British indigenous people are white. Why are we so afraid to acknowledge this? If you aren't white you aren't indigenous to Britain. You can be a British citizen but you aren't native to this country or indeed this continent (ie. whites = europeans and those of european ancestry).
I've not had time to read all this thread but i will.
At what point in history do we define indigenous British people? is it immediate post ww2 and the request for migrants to come to our country to help rebuild it ?
Is that were it ends? o is it a blanket thing b4 say 13.000bc as suggested
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At what point in history do we define indigenous British people? is it immediate post ww2 and the request for migrants to come to our country to help rebuild it ?
Is that were it ends? o is it a blanket thing b4 say 13.000bc as suggested
.What an absoloute farce this whole skin colour debate is. We are in the 21st century and skin colour in my eyes is the one thing that shouldn't be an issue in todays society, yet here we are.
And that isn't aimed at OcUK.
Race, not skin colour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people
The idea that 'white' refers only to skin colour is a red herring.
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Thought the show was a bit of a joke really. It was clear that everyone on the panel and in the audience was there to shout at Nick Griffin. He was barely given a chance to defend himself which was pretty poor. When he started to speak and make a point, he was talked over. Very poor show, very rude.
Whilst I will be voting conservative and wouldn't vote for BNP, the country needs a party like that around. For me there are two groups of people that vote BNP. One is outright racists who don't care about policy, and the other group is of frustrating voters who are sick of being lied to and want to use their vote to 'shock', so to speak. Nick Griffin knows this but isn't exactly going to come out and say it. There was a young gent in the crowd who suggested this I believe, and not very much was made and discussed of his point which I thought was a shame.
In all I thought the general behaviour of all the panel last night was pathetic. It was hilarious yet depressing when they were slating him for his actions, and then tried to worm out (Jack Straw) of answering a pretty straight forward question on actual policy.
I wouldn't say the BNP came out of this well though and that it is an early Christmas present to them. They've got more publicity from it, but its not exactly good publicity and the way the media are now going to be reporting what was said in the episode is only going to hurt them. This itself is pathetic as the media are twisting words and omitting additional points made, such as the Telegraph and the BBC episode edit. Its so blatent to anyone with an ounce of intelligence that the media are trying to crush them it is embarrassing. It is a little funny though that, as mentioned previously in this thread, they have probably done more to push people towards the BNP with their reports on asylum seekers and immigration in years gone by.
As I said, whilst I would never vote BNP because it appears clear what the core of their members consist of, we need to have them around to scare the main parties into realising that people are not happy with them. There is no risk of the BNP ever getting into power, absolutely not a chance of it happening, so there was no need for this witch hunt against Nick Griffin and there is no need for the media hammering that will no doubt follow.
/edit - Oh, and Nick Griffin didn't actually mention skin colour last night did he? It was the other members on the panel that brought up that issue to which he said people here already would stay, as was omitted on the BBC edit I believe.
Whilst I will be voting conservative and wouldn't vote for BNP, the country needs a party like that around. For me there are two groups of people that vote BNP. One is outright racists who don't care about policy, and the other group is of frustrating voters who are sick of being lied to and want to use their vote to 'shock', so to speak. Nick Griffin knows this but isn't exactly going to come out and say it. There was a young gent in the crowd who suggested this I believe, and not very much was made and discussed of his point which I thought was a shame.
In all I thought the general behaviour of all the panel last night was pathetic. It was hilarious yet depressing when they were slating him for his actions, and then tried to worm out (Jack Straw) of answering a pretty straight forward question on actual policy.
I wouldn't say the BNP came out of this well though and that it is an early Christmas present to them. They've got more publicity from it, but its not exactly good publicity and the way the media are now going to be reporting what was said in the episode is only going to hurt them. This itself is pathetic as the media are twisting words and omitting additional points made, such as the Telegraph and the BBC episode edit. Its so blatent to anyone with an ounce of intelligence that the media are trying to crush them it is embarrassing. It is a little funny though that, as mentioned previously in this thread, they have probably done more to push people towards the BNP with their reports on asylum seekers and immigration in years gone by.
As I said, whilst I would never vote BNP because it appears clear what the core of their members consist of, we need to have them around to scare the main parties into realising that people are not happy with them. There is no risk of the BNP ever getting into power, absolutely not a chance of it happening, so there was no need for this witch hunt against Nick Griffin and there is no need for the media hammering that will no doubt follow.
/edit - Oh, and Nick Griffin didn't actually mention skin colour last night did he? It was the other members on the panel that brought up that issue to which he said people here already would stay, as was omitted on the BBC edit I believe.