Switzerland appears to have backed minaret ban

Hatter The Mad said:
Are the Jews trying to turn Palestine into a Jewish state by wanting a few synagogues?

Fixed. The answer is yes btw.

No, its the Israeli Government that's building all the settlements, not 'all' Jews as some blanket statement not to mention that's an isolated incident specific to that region.

There also happens to be five million Jews in America, is that some sort of religious takeover in your mind?
 
They fought for THEIR freedom - that of Western Christian society. They did NOT fight so they could live under/in parallel with Islamic values.

Wait, let me get this straight, do we like religion now, or not? Is Christianity OK, but Islam not? Where do we stand on buddhism?

What do we think of peaceful Muslims? Violent Christians?

Are you a Christian? If not, then please don't invoke it just to serve your purposes in this argument.
 
Well done the Swiss
Its about time people stopped being PC in case they upset someone
Mosque in Rome, oh yes
Church in Mecca or anywhere in Saudi, on no
By law you are not allowed to celebrate christian holidays or wear a crucifix in Saudi
I am not religious btw


Anyway "Allah almighty knows best"

We should strive to equal or better the best countries, not the worst.
 
There also happens to be five million Jews in America, is that some sort of religious takeover in your mind?

Well funnily enough Jews do have a lot of power and influence in the world, in politics, banking, the media etc. especially in proportion to their numbers. They've certainly hijacked US and by extension UK foreign policy in the middle east.
 
this is ridiculous.
if they're going to ban the building of minarets, then church spires should banned, along with the ridiculous crosses they build on top.

the swiss should be ashamed of themselves.
neutral my arse
 
Well funnily enough Jews do have a lot of power and influence in the world, in politics, banking, the media etc. especially in proportion to their numbers. They've certainly hijacked US and by extension UK foreign policy in the middle east.

No they haven't. George Bush wanted to go into Iraq for example, I doubt there were a bunch of Jews telling him to.

The idea that Jews have all this influence is just a myth, as if America is answerable just to them as part of some kind of conspiracy.

Unless you want to bring up evidence (which of course there isn't any) of this Jewish vice-grip on the Western media and banking and political systems then its pointless discussing it.
 
No they haven't. George Bush wanted to go into Iraq for example, I doubt there were a bunch of Jews telling him to.

The idea that Jews have all this influence is just a myth, as if America is answerable just to them as part of some kind of conspiracy.

Unless you want to bring up evidence (which of course there isn't any) of this Jewish vice-grip on the Western media and banking and political systems then its pointless discussing it.

There is plenty of evidence, it isn't some bizarre conspiracy theory, it isn't as if these Jews make any secret of it :)

But I feel that is not within the scope of this thread so I don't think we should take it off topic any further.
 
There is a difference between Islamification and tolerance. Are the Jews trying to turn Europe into a Jewish state by wanting a few synagogues?
There are 150 mosques in Switzerland. I think that's tolerance.

How many churches are there in Saudi? That's intolerant.
 
There are 150 mosques in Switzerland. I think that's tolerance.

How many churches are there in Saudi? That's intolerant.

As I said above, we must strive to be the best, not to beat the worst.

That Saudi Arabia is intolerant does not suddenly make anyone more tolerant than them some sort of amazing bastion of tolerance.

Although I do concede the point about 150 Mosques... And given the non-religious value of Minarets, I'm really arguing a wider point than just this specific one.
 
You have to remember that Switzerland is a VERY backward country, with women only getting the vote in 1971 and motorsport being banned for nearly 50 years until recently.

The irony is that most of the people praising Switzerland would stand no chance of moving over there. :D


Some cantons did not allow women to vote until 1994.


The same cantons coted in favour of banning Minerets.
 
I didn't miss your sarcasm, and it is more than amply clear that you don't oppose the Islamification of Britain and Europe.

1) The use of the word "Islamification" is hyperbole, pure and simple. It's not like the Borg, for goodness' sake.
2) There's no reason to oppose the spread of a religion.
 
As I said above, we must strive to be the best, not to beat the worst.

That Saudi Arabia is intolerant does not suddenly make anyone more tolerant than them some sort of amazing bastion of tolerance.

Although I do concede the point about 150 Mosques... And given the non-religious value of Minarets, I'm really arguing a wider point than just this specific one.

You argue very well, and more importantly in a somewhat civilised manner which is more than most her can claim.

However I would say that you are playing devil's advocate a bit to much on the subject.

Of course we don't want to just look at the worst to make ourselves look good or justify actions, but the point Spie made is valid.

Though Islam is now a global religion, it is a valid point to mention that it always looks back to its roots, hence why the quran is only truly valid when read in arabic and why muslims always pray facing a certain direction.

If we are to "tolerate" the building of islamic buildings, I think it should be on the understanding of reciprocation in other countries that are strongly islamic. The whole idea about tolerance and understanding is that its a 2 way deal. We seek to understand "foreign entities" that "threaten" our culture (sorry for the harsh words, but my vocabulary has let me down on more gentle words) and the idea is that the "foreign entities" try to understand our point of view.

It is not happening, and the envitable result is that our civilisation will be washed away consigned to history along with other civilisations which at the time seemed impossible to topple, or there will be a pendalum effect and we will become incredibly intolerant.

I wish for neither, and hope there can be reconciliation.
 
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